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Monday, January 28, 2008 12:00 AM

Today's FISA vote

Live-blogging today's proceedings in the Senate.

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Tuesday, January 29, 2008 08:54 AM

Well....

Maybe what we should be looking for from Texas is another smart, spicy woman? ;-> -- pedinska

Well, we've got one in AZ we'd all love to offer the nation -- Janet Napolitano, our present governor. I disagree with her about some things, but she's dynamite; everything that Bush is not, and Republicans actually vote for her too.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 08:54 AM

Pedinska - re: Old Bones & Bushes

I'm a New Englander who has spent about five years in Texas, almost three while in the service, and two more in Amarillo as a broadcast reporter.

My mother owns a house in Maine which is barely ten minutes from the big Bush house in K-port.

I've also spent a fair amount of time in New Haven.

There's all this stuff about Skull & Bones, the Yale secret society, of which H.W., W. and John Kerry are members.

Well, about 'dem bones, one story that's been around quite a while has it that a Bush great grand daddy, a Prescott I guess, brought Geronimo's bones back from the Plains and installed them in the Bones' "tomb" in New Haven.

Of course, since everything is a big secret with Bonesmen, there's never been confirmation of this tall tale.

Still, it's a story.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:04 AM

B

I spotted them more by accident than design. They never publicized the routes beforehand, but I knew they were in town and who else would be in a half dozen black stretch limousines with a huge police escort?

I wished I'd had enoug forewarning to strew the road with tacks. It would have been the least I could do. ;->

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:08 AM

@ Pedinska

I lived in Santa Barbara during the Reagan years. There really are black helicopters.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:09 AM

Dirigo

one story that's been around quite a while has it that a Bush great grand daddy, a Prescott I guess, brought Geronimo's bones back from the Plains and installed them in the Bones' "tomb" in New Haven.

Reminds me of primitive cultures that eat the hearts and 'nads of their enemies in the hopes of ingesting their, aherm, more admirable qualities.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:10 AM

Senate machinations

It appears that "Morning Business" has been extended until 4:30 this afternoon. There are suggestions that the "back room" discussions are ongoing, but not coming to resolution. Could the Dems still be displaying courage?

Let's keep those phone calls going during the discussions!

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:19 AM

A Question:

If Congress passes amnesty (let's call it that), and the president signs it, can a later Congress strip the companies of their amnesty, or does it last forever?

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:22 AM

@Bebop-o & RMP re:

“I felt terrible after the Yuck performance of so many fakes gathered there clapping”

Precise assessment of that disgusting minstrel show performance revival. The closest experience imaginable to rival it would be taking a bath in a tub of s_ _t.

“Another of your many gems that I will store away. I truly didn’t have the stomach to watch such drivel.”–RMP

I will also archive B’s portrayal of, and reaction to, that travesty. A gem.

Rosemaryk, are you still there? For your benefit, kindly suspend all scrolling impulses and pay attention!

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:34 AM

Geronimo's skull

Apparently, this has been investigated for some time:

http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=2523

Each class attempts to outdo its predecessor in the acquisition of valuables. In addition to Geronimo's skull, the Bonesmen's tomb is rumored to contain the skull of Pancho Villa and Adolf Hitler's silverware.

Charming, aren't they, the kids of our "ruling class?"

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:37 AM

HERE'S THE SCOOP ON THE CLOTURE VOTE YESTERDAY

I watched the entire debate and both cloture votes held yesterday. Ultimately, there were four Demos who voted in FAVOR of Cloture on the main bill (S2248), INCLUDING Landrieu. (She originally voted AGAINST Cloture, and then changed her vote IN FAVOR of Cloture once it became clear that her "No" vote was not needed. (She changed it after there were already 43 votes against Cloture, two more than necessary) Specter was the only Republican to vote against Cloture of the main bill. As for the Republicans' blocking of Amendments, they accomplished this by not providing unanimous consent to proceeding with the Amendments, which was the tactic they used last Friday to get the bill to a cloture vote. In other words, for anything to proceed in the Senate, there are numerous times when one must seek "unanimous consent" to proceed on a motion, amendment, or other procedural hurdle. This happens at least 100 times a day, if not more. If you watch the Senate on C-SPAN at all, you will become aware of the request for "unanimous consent." What happened last Friday, is the Republicans objected to the request for "unanimous consent" for the introduction of various amendments to the FISA bill. Apparently, the Republicans didn't ask Harry Reid, so he got upset! We need to keep the pressure on today and the rest of the week, to insure that the time pressure doesn't cause the Dems to cave.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:41 AM

Pedinska - re: Bones

It gives me slight palpitations to bring something like that up, not out of fear, because it is well known (see Geronimo on Wiki), but because it just "isn't my style."

And I'm half Viking!

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 09:43 AM

Answer to Question about a Later Congress "undoing" Amnesty

In answer to a question just posted, about the possibility of a later Congress "undoing" amnesty, it's a highly doubtful proposition. That's why it's vital to stop it NOW, before it becomes law.

We need to channel Chris Dodd on this: Rewarding the telcos with "amnesty" has NOTHING TO DO WITH SECURITY! It's only about Bush lining the pockets of his already-rich buddies. By virtue of the new bill, telecom companies will already have immunity for future wiretaps, so there is no reason for them not to cooperate with the government in the "wiretap Osama scenario," as is falsely suggested by the Bush Administration, the RWNM and even the MSM. This isn't first grade, folks, this is the adult world.

Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:09 AM

@ Pedinska

Reminds me of primitive cultures that eat the hearts and 'nads of their enemies in the hopes of ingesting their, aherm, more admirable qualities.

And what would be the "more admirable qualities" of one's enemies?!?!? And if your enemy had such, why would you admit that? Does the victor need to eat the heart of the fallen because the fallen had more courage? How'da'ell did the victor win, anyway?

But since yo brought it up, we have this mentality in D.C. at this very moment:

http://tinyurl.com/2oyyvg

;-)

Cheers,

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