Glenn has referred a few times to US Code 18. What is the relationship between US Code 18 and the actual FISA law, which is part of Code 50? Does code 18 define how violations of Code 50 are prosecuted or something to that effect?

I'll be on the phone first thing in the morning to the Florida Nelson. I had just called his office yesterday, giving him gushing praise for his support of Dodd in December. Tomorrow, I'm going to be very nice, but I am firmly going to try to get past whoever answers the phone to get to someone who can really tell me where Nelson stands and if we can count on him to vote the right way on Monday. I really think that he has high potential to be one of the three crucial people we need to change their votes from today's vote.

By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Senate granted at least a temporary victory to the White House on Thursday, turning back an attempt to increase court oversight of the government's surveillance of phone calls and e-mails that involve people inside the United States.

The 60-36 vote to reject increased powers for the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court came as senators worked against a Feb. 1 deadline to extend the law governing how U.S. intelligence agencies carry out electronic eavesdropping.

Further action on the legislation was delayed until Monday, pushing Congress closer to the deadline, and leaving unresolved the most contentious issue in the bill: whether to grant legal immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government conduct warrantless surveillance.

The Bush administration is insisting that any new law protect from potentially crippling civil lawsuits those telecom companies that helped the government eavesdrop on Americans after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, R-Nev., blamed Republicans for the delay, saying they were trying to block a series of amendments majority Democrats sought to offer.

"It appears the president and Republicans want failure. They don't want a bill," Reid said.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, and Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., on Thursday proposed extending the existing law for 30 days to buy the Senate additional time to produce a bill. The House completed its version of the bill last fall.

In a move to resolve the immunity issue, the key impasse on the legislation, the White House ended months of resistance Thursday and agreed to give House members access to secret documents about its warrantless wiretapping program.

The Bush administration is trying to persuade the House to agree to retroactively shield from liability those companies that helped the government eavesdrop on Americans without the approval of the FISA court. About 40 such civil lawsuits are pending against telecommunications firms, and the administration says if the cases go forward they could reveal information that would compromise national security. It also contends that the companies could be bankrupted if the lawsuits are successful.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080125/ap_on_go_pr_wh/terrorist_surveillance

I need to figure out where the rest of the folks on that list of Marcy's are. Might be a chance I know some voters in those areas who could put their shoulder to the wheel, but are otherwise oblivious (by dint of family, work, etc...) to the issue.

Forgive me too. It's been a long day. What hospitality! My O day what a friendly tolerance of me.

It's a day to express how "cranky" and strife-filled a person can become. It's a bad case of "crotch" pants that I've surely

become?

It's bedtime. The Moon is rising in the East. Wow. It really does look like a big delicious Pizza Pie to me.

Cheese.

What's a person need to do to get kicked in the pants? I'll go get a can of Elsie canned milk or better yet, drink some goat milk.

It's best to stay on YKW's better side.

Forgive me too.

@cocktailhag & walter_map, January 24, 4-4:30 PM:

Thanks for bringing up the international financier factor, and for the book recommendation. I'll check it out.

The best books on the subject that I've run across in my studies are those of R.Steiner and C.H. Douglass.

But also see William Greider's Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country and Gorham Munson's Aladdin's Lamp:The Wealth of the American People.

Both latter authors trace the origins of central banking in the US to the authoritarian elitist, Alexander Hamilton.

Even the mega-corporations, who buy and control US politicians, must still borrow money from the privately-held central banking system, and as indicated in one of the essays to which walter provides a link:

"Rothschilds' favorite saying who along with the

Rockefellers are the major Illuminati Banking Dynasties:

'Who controls the issuance of money controls the

government!'

"Nathan Rothschild (1777-1836) said : 'I care not what puppet

is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The

man who controls Britain's money supply controls the

British Empire and I control the British money supply.'"

And as I quoted in a post earlier this month,"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws." (Amschel Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838).

KR

Bayh - IN

Carper - DE

Inouye - HI

Jonhson - SD

Landrieu - LA

McCaskill - MO

Mikulski - MD

Nelson - FL

Nelson - NE

Pryor - AR

Salazar - CO

Corrections, anyone?

. . . the administration says if the cases go forward they could reveal information that would compromise national security.

Not really.

It would reveal information that half of top officialdom is a reeking, dripping pantload of traitors and thieves who should be destined to share a leaky shrimpboat to The Hague, dodging hurricanes all the way, where they can be sentenced for Crimes Against Humanity and genocide and live out their carefully extended lives on display in a dungeon at ten bucks a head.

That's why they need to spy on Americans. To identify the complainers, intimidate those who can be coerced, imprison and impoverish those who can't, and exterminate those who are too much trouble, when the time comes.

We do know fascism when we see it.

It also contends that the companies could be bankrupted if the lawsuits are successful.

They ought to be liquidated even without the lawsuits.