Nothing on this subject in the Edwards interview.

[Glenn, from the post]: If and when telecom immunity is passed (thereby forever extinguishing any hope of investigating and obtaining accountability for the President's illegal spying programs),...

... until at least after the 2008 elections. If we elect a president that cares about civil rights, constitutional abuses, and due process of law, they can in fact investigate and open the curtains and expose any abuses that have taken place.

And if we can elect a responsible Congress (and get rid of the a$$wipes like Rockefeller and Reid, at least in the leadership positions), we can amend the laws again, particularly if there have been abuses, if there have been lies, and we get the sense of outrage that animated the Church Commission back in the '70s.

Dodd for President. I know he dropped out, but a brokered convention may still choose him.

Cheers,

Ah yes- we are allowed to post on the internet our evil subversive thoughts and therefore we have nothing to worry about. Why I practically am militia member with my paranoia!

Government? Why fear it all. Oh- our founders did? Our entire political tradition is based upon suspicion of government in one form of another?

What Oblast of Russia do you hail from? What part of Germany?

Oh- I'm so thankful the hero Jack Bauers of our secret police- errr- "intelligence services" haven't deigned to pick me up yet- and only a kook worries about government power at all- especially power with no limits or checks or even a viable real effective opposition party.

Tell me- have you always been a government rumpswabber. Please tell me you at least draw a paycheck from the government and that is your motivation to post here? It would just be pathetic if you actually believed the tripe you peddle. Cause surely no genuine conservative could spout forth your inanity. Put you in 1935 Moscow and you could pass for a rabid Stalinist.

Mr. McCONNELL. Mr. President, on the issue of FISA, let me second the observation of the majority leader.... I agree with his decision....

"suh-prahzzzz, suh-prahzzzzz....."

Cheers,

As for the purposely contrarian shooter, as why to be worried about gov't doing what AT&T has been doing. Well you see the gov't has powers that a private company does not. The gov't can arrest and imprison people. So using link analysis maybe I somehow get connected to a "terrorist". Maybe I called someone, who called someone, who talked to a terrorist. Bush says he can arrest and imprison anyone on his says so. So being remotely connected to a terrorist is all it takes to get imprisoned as one. Remember habeas corpus no longer applies in this country for people declared "enemy combatants".

I don't think so. The al-Marri decision last year made that sort of thing out of bounds, and Bush doesn't contravene the courts. Of course I'm not a lawyer, so if that decision is out of date I'm sure someone will correct me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/11/AR2007061101135_pf.html

Of course shooter you probably aren't that stupid, so you knew all this already. But being the right-wing prick you are, you couldn't help from making an ass out of yourself.-- Conservativeslayer

We'll see who the real ass is here won't we. Heh.

Everyone need to get out and vote for your democtatic members of congress so they can....uh....nevermind.

On what planet is fear that I am going to be made to wear a Burka by the Taliban even remotely comparable to the legitimate fear of a government that just sentenced an American to 17 years in jail for a thought crime after torturing him for 5 years in dungeons?

If you had a legitimate fear of your government torturing you for 5 years in a dungeon before sentencing you to 17 years in prison for a 'thought crime', you wouldn't be posting on this message board, and neither would Glenn write what he writes for that matter. Both ideas are absurd, although to people who actually travel outside the borders of the United States, the number of American journalists, missionaries, and tourists who have been kidnapped, forced to read derogatory statements about their country on videotape, and susequently beheaded is a little more serious of a matter.

But why think about those things when instead we can take on the American Government. While your laughing, imagine that the trivial events of your life are important enough for the intelligence community to actually give a shit about. Are you feeling special now?

I hope this is a subtle signal that you know what Keith will ask, and/or what Edwards will say.

I have to agree wholeheartedly that opposition to retroactive immunity fits into just about every major narrative of the Democratic candidates about what needs to be "Changed" in America.

Wealthy elites running the country, check.

Lawlessness and unaccountability of the powerful and wealthy, check.

Business-as-usual government that ignores the will of the people, check.

Using fear of terrorism as a political ploy to expedite cynical outcomes, check.

I never miss an episode of Countdown, but tonight I will pay special attention. If Edwards promises to help prevent the FISA calamity, it will be a shining example of bottom-up citizen activism, and I will be tremendously heartened. It will also, hopefully, force the other candidates' hands and stop our Senate "leadership's" invertebrate trajectory in its tracks.

Hopefully not too little too late.

and judging by Reid talking out of both sides of his mouth so damn much with this topic, I'd say this isn't worth much:

Update: Reid's staff e-mails to clarify that his challenge to Senators wishing to "talk this to death" was intended for Republicans who had been insisting on 60 vote majority on FISA votes. That is, Reid told the Republicans that if they want 60 vote threshold they will have to essentially filibuster to do so. Should the votes start tomorrow, I hope he holds that line.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/23/15327/0497/534/441863

That was from mcjoan's post over at Daily Kos earlier. Again, given Reid's doublespeak, I wouldn't put too much stock into this apparent smokescreen. But it's there nonetheless.