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Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:00 AM

No Democrat wanted Joe Lieberman's endorsement

The media's treatment of Lieberman as an Oracle of Independence is the opposite of what he really is.

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Wednesday, December 19, 2007 05:59 AM

Lieberman

Should run for prime minister of Israel, unless they have a stipulation about being native born.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:03 AM

2008 Winner of the John Connally Award

For younger readers, John Connally was the former Texas governor (wounded in the Kennedy assassination) with presidential aspirations, that in a case of perhaps the worst political timing in US history, switched to the GOP on the eve of the Watergate scandal.

Holy Joe will suffer the same level of political irrelevance once the Dems have padded their majority in the Senate.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:08 AM

maybe this has been discussed

i still dont seem to understand why Lieberman didnt endorse Mr. Bulldog Rudy Guiliani. Rudy has Crazy Poddy and Daniel Pipes at his side and has guaranteed to blast the living hell out of Israel's enemies

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:09 AM

Traitorous scum

Yup. To his country, his party, and the people who supported him for years. He wouldn't still be a senator except for the Republicans who voted for him in 06.

You're too polite about this quisling, Glenn.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:14 AM

Holy Joe!

I stopped watching Hardball and Tucker 3 months ago. The world is still turning; I read more and obtain a better grasp of politics watching the BBC and CBC Newsworld and going to the net. My friends say the same thing: Matthews is an unprincipled suck up artist with no class. Lieberman is an unprincipled politician with no class. They deserve each other.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:14 AM

Rudy

Well, it seems Guiliani didn't come pleading/grovelling for Lieberman's endorsement either, so even with Rudy's impeccable foreign policy team (gag) Rudy didn't score this prize.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:14 AM

Lieberman's future

Assuming Holy Joe doesn't switch parties, the 2008 elections will be his Waterloo. Assuming the Democrats pick up a number of seats, Joe's leverage will instantly evaporate. At that point, whoever is the Majority Leader (I pray it isn't Reid) should feel free to strip Joe of every single bit of seniority. He should be removed from any position of influence on any committee. Thanks for playing Joe. Now leave.

But he has had a nice run, if one applauds self aggrandizing whiny chumps.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:16 AM

@tommydsz re: Why didn't Joe endorse Giuliani?

Because Rudy didn't ask. As Glenn points out, Lieberman's overweening narcissism & petulant neediness makes being asked an essential prerequisite for his endorsement.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:19 AM

The political center.

I'm sure some clever person with time on their hands could put together a political landscape (like the political compass only with a different set of axes) in which war-loving hate-driven "liberals" end up on the center of the grid.

But I'm afraid that the edges would rather resemble a mobius strip. Any of our mathematically inclined commenters care to give it a go?

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:19 AM

I realize that I'm going off-topic here buuuuuut........

GG--

There's an article in TIME ( http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1688754,00.html ) that I do not believe that you've commented on. If you have commented on it, then would you please be kind enough to provide the URL? The reason that I'm asking is that I'm composing an article for wikipedia (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nbahn for the draft as it now exists) and I'm trying to make it as comprehensive as possible.

Thanks in advance!

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:21 AM

I said this a week ago.

Admittedly, you did say it a lot better, but I published a diary at DailyKos last week when this news broke titled Big Fat Hairy Deal, where I pretty much said the same thing - that Democrats, if they were smart, would avoid this guy's less-than-worthless "endorsement" as if it were a dose of Ebola. That diary sunk like a stone into the bowels of Kos's fine website, forgotten and lonely with a single comment to its name.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop after the primary season when Sen. Lieberman endorses the Republican nominee (presumably someone other than John McCain). It will be hilarious to watch that news conference, especially if the nominee is some mini-Bush doofus like Mike Huckabee who has no clue about foreign policy.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:22 AM

Thrown out of the Democratic Party

That really takes some effort! It's analogous to being rejected by a community college. The Democrats continue to tolerate damn near anyone, no matter how many times they stab the party in the back. Meanwhile, back at the DLC, "Weakness is Strength", "FISA is Freedom" and "Compromise is Security".

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:26 AM

Gore's Greatest Error

Lieberman can with some justification associate himself with the hawkish pro-Zionist Scoop Jackson; and perhaps even somewhat with Harry Truman whose precipitous recognition of Israel in 1948 was a signature event casting the U.S. in the role of a less-than-honest broker in the Middle East; but for Lieberman to associate himself with a decent and unapologetically liberal Democrat like Hubert Humphrey is, to coin a phrase, secular humanist blasphemy, and deeply offensive.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:28 AM

Caucus

Please keep in mind, the Democrats need Lieberman to caucus with them to control the Senate.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:29 AM

Lieberman and Mathews

It is only fitting that this whiny little man endorse a Republican. He was a republican when he ran with Gore, why change now?

As for Mathews voting for Bush----one moron voting for yet another.

Mathews, with his loud vociferous opinions is a zero.

He is a panderer and not fit for the position he holds. Who on earth does this ass hole think he's kidding?

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:29 AM

He's not in the Democratic party.

So why would this matter either way? Seriously. Oh wait [smacks head] I forgot. Fuck the Jews send them up the fucking chimney. Lantos too.

My bad.

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 06:39 AM

It's worth remembering . . .

. . . that Lieberman lost the primary in August, 2006, as a pro-war candidate, but then changed his tune, and won re-election in November, 2006, as an "anti-war" candidate.

http://mydd.com/story/2006/10/23/153858/53

Richard Nixon versus Joe Lieberman
by Matt Stoller, Mon Oct 23, 2006

After losing the primary, Joe Lieberman changed his tune and began talking about ending the war in Iraq. It's a very specific way of talking about ending the war, though, and you can see eery parallels between Lieberman and Nixon when Nixon lied about wanting to end the Vietnam War. All of the Nixon quotes come from a speech on 11/3/69, which he gave a full 3 years and 9,000 American casualties before he was forced against his will by public pressure to end the war.

Nixon and Lieberman are very similar politicians, and it's not just that they both liked to use murky slush funds.

ON ENDING THE WAR (1)
"I want peace as much as you do." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69
"No one wants to end the war in Iraq more than I do." - Joe Lieberman, 10/18/06

ON ENDING THE WAR (2)
"I want to end the war." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69
"I want to help end the war in Iraq." - Joe Lieberman, 8/11/06

ON SUPPORT FOR THE WAR
"Many others -- I among them -- have been strongly critical of the way the war has been conducted." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69
"I have been very critical of a lot of the mistakes the Bush administration has made in Iraq." - Joe Lieberman, 10/18/06

ON MOVING FORWARD FROM HERE
"Many believe that President Johnson's decision to send American combat forces to South Vietnam was wrong. But the question facing us today is: Now that we are in the war, what is the best way to end it?" - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69
"The question is what do we do now. We are there, no matter what you think of how we got there." - Joe Lieberman, 10/8/06

ON HAVING A PLAN
"It is a plan that will end the war and serve the cause of peace." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69
"I recently, again, issued a 10 point plan to get the job done [in Iraq]." - Joe Lieberman, 10/18/06

ON REFUSING A TIMETABLE
"A fixed timetable for our withdrawal would completely remove any incentive for the enemy to negotiate an agreement. They would simply wait until our forces had withdrawn and then move in." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69
"If you tell your enemy when you're going to leave, they'll wait and create disaster." - Joe Lieberman, 7/6/06

ON THOSE OPPOSED TO THE WAR
"I would be untrue to my oath of office if I allowed the [war] policy of this nation to be dictated by the minority who hold that [anti-war] point of view and who try to impose it on the nation." - Richard Nixon, 1969
"There is a real but unfortunately too often overlooked or concealed bipartisan American consensus in favor of this new war." - Joe Lieberman, 4/26/04

ON RESPECTING DISAGREEMENT
"I understand why they are concerned, about this war. I respect your idealism. I share your concern for peace." - Richard Nixon, 1969
"I already know that some of you feel passionately against my position on Iraq. I respect your views." - Joe Lieberman, 8/7/06

Sadly - - Lieberman was once, in the 60s and 70s, inspired to fight against Nixon. Now he has become what he once fought against.

p.s. Whatever became of that slush fund story?
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Lamont_campaign_to_file_formal_FEC_1023.html

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