...what are the bleating sheeple to do ?

hee hee hee

write kongresskritters just a wee bit more sternly ?

ho ho ho

put your american flag pin on upsidedown ?

ha ha ha

put your faith in stalwart dem'rats ?

ak ak ak

"...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

..."

harman et al would have these words outlawed and the writers gitmoed...

true true true

*WHO* would sign such a document today ? ? ?

not scaredy sheeples, that's for certain...

scorn scorn scorn

the judiciary has abandoned the constitution (nevermind 'justice'), the kongresskritters are corrupted, coopted, or coerced, the media are infotainment whores, and the sheeple are too busy chewing their cuds and suckling from the glass teat...

suck suck suck

maybe if we blog oh-so-sincerely-outraged-yet-civil, The They (tm) will see the error of their ways and repent...

hee hee hee

ho ho ho

ha ha ha

ak ak ak

art guerrilla

aka ann archy

eof

I am beginning to wonder about some of you guys.

The kind of problems that get discussed here in UT got a lot worse when the current administration took over. Not worse in an incremental or evolutionary sense. It was a big change. It is clear that a change in administration can make a big improvement. Not at all what I really want, and certainly not what you apparently want. But this continual attempt to show that all politicians are the same is as big a lie as anything the right pushes. And I doubt its sincerity.

-- Mike Sulzer

The primary season in the presidential election years are always insane. All parties are shooting in all directions. It's basically one giant free for all deathmatch. But I agree with what I think your basic point is. A few years ago these people would have sold their mothers to get where we are today.

Well, I meant impotence in terms of results for the people who send them up there, no as individual weakness. In fact, they have shown great strength standing-up to their constituents of late, so weakness is not it. Lack of results, due to corruption of the system, and the ramifications of that for the rest of us is what concerns me.

Also, this notion that I should not voice those concerns about the Dems for fear that it would be used against them by the GOP leaves me cold. I'm more worried about the country and society than about any party.

More (intelligent, individual) dialogue with the people of the right is more constructive than this deep hatred constantly expressed by some partisan Democrats, for political gain, even as the leaders they parade participate in some of the most egregious behavior of dictatorship.

Just about every post on this and other threads explains why: the Democratic Party, as it stands now and has for a long time, is part of the problem, not the solution. It first needs to reform itself before it can effectively lead this country out of its dire situation. That's my view, if you don't mind.

-- Dounia

So what does that mean as far as what to do? The Democratic party has a lot of problem leaders. Agreed. So our hands are tied until...what? Until when? I really don't understand what you are getting at. You are pointing out the obvious, that being that the Democratic party is a problem ridden and part of the overall problem. But then, for some reason, you seem to be saying that just because I am pushing for whomever, be it Democrat of Republican or otherwise, to get on Mulkasey about moving this forward, I am supposedly in denial that the Democratic Party is part of the problem? I assure you, I am aware of that. But that doesn't square with not pressuring all powers that be to get on with some action in this instance or any instance.

Your first quote you used of mine in this post also does not square with what you are accusing me of. I made that clear in my previous reply to you.

It's obvious that the entire Democratic leadership and most of the Democratic members of congress are in on the crime. Whether they are being intimidated or are participating willingly, they are activly and knowingly enabling this CRIMINAL Republican party to rape and pillage the United States. They will call for investigations and then do nothing. They will cover for their Republican collegues on all fronts. The Dems, especially Pelosi, are just as criminal as Bush and Cheney if not more so. Face it, we, the people, are at the mercy of an army of theives not seen since Gengis Khan. We are literally at war with our own government. And we have lost. Welcome to the United Police State of America where everybody gets their own personal Gov-Cam to keep an eye on them so they will be 'safe'. RIP America.

No links from me, bystander. It might be useful to point out, though, that neuroscientists -- like most scientists -- are governed by the conceit that they stand outside the system which they're describing.

Unfortunately, they sometimes forget where they're standing, which is why we need philosophy. It's why we need holisms of all sorts, even religious ones. We aren't really disembodied intelligences, and the results of neuroscience, when we attempt to incorporate them in medias res, can inflict on us all the nasty consequences characteristic of infinite regressions.

In short, it doesn't matter whether or not we have free will; we must act as though we do nevertheless.