My values don't allow me to vote for politicians who support fascism, so please stop informing us. It is your duty as a "progressive" to let the public continue believing that Democrats represent liberal democracy, so that voters like me can approach election day with a positive attitude. My faith in the Democratic Party is more important than the facts you report.

P.S. How can I bash Nader voters when you put this kind of stuff out?

I'm sure destruction of evidence is going on full tilt, ahead of Presidential elections that "could" result in War Crimes investigations of CIA (and other) government employees, including torture, kidnap, the use of drugs on prisoners, and false imprisonment.

The CIA itself has expressed such concern that their "members" may be prosecuted for criminal activity, including War Crimes, hence all the various "findings" by legal hacks within this criminal administration justifying patently illegal (not to mention un-American and immoral) acts.

The line needs to be drawn here. To save any hope of War Crimes investigations, the government needs to be put on notice that destruction of evidence will be assumed to be part of a criminal conspiracy to obstruct justice. Period.

Forgive me for thinking more like a mathematician than a lawyer, but this isn't a statement of neanderthal behavior, or of incompetence, it is a reductio ad absurdum proof that the Bush administration does not have the intention of bringing these detainees before a legitimate court of law -- ever.

Of course not. This has never been about actually getting information or obtaining convictions. This is simply using naked force to intimidate people. The torture techniques they are not methods used to elicit true facts. They are techniques designed to elicit false confessions--and to cow other people into submission. ("See what will happen to YOU.") Stalinism, pure and simple. The morality of the Inquisition.

BTW, did you know that under the Inquistion, kids were taken from their parents by the authorities. The ability to baptize is conferred on all Christians. Some caretakers of Jewish babies would baptize them for their safety in the afterlife. If, for some reason, the caretaker told someone in the local government that she had done this, the state would take the child away.

That's the kind of people we are talking about here.

Glenn,

In case you haven't seen, read or heard about this yet, check out Emptywheel's newest post which I'm excerpting - Whitehouse Reveals Smoking Gun of White House Claiming Not to Be Bound by Any Law (at http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/whitehouse-rips-the-white-house/#more-1490 ):

Apparently, Whitehouse actually read the OLC opinions that justified the warrantless wiretap program and continue to justify the Administration's wiretap authority today. Then, Whitehouse got the key concepts of some of those opinions declassified. Here's his description of what he found...

~snip~

Senator Whitehouse says: To give you an example of what I read, I have gotten three legal propositions from these OLC opinions declassified. Here they are, as accurately as my note taking could reproduce them from the classified documents. Listen for yourself. I will read all three, and then discuss each one.

1. An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President has instead modified or waived it.

2. The President, exercising his constitutional authority under Article II, can determine whether an action is a lawful exercise of the President's authority under Article II.

3. The Department of Justice is bound by the President's legal determinations.

This stuff is a literal bombshell assault on the very premises of our Constitution which our Founding Fathers strived so mightily and honorably to implement.

By PAMELA HESS Associated Press Writer

Dec 7th, 2007 | WASHINGTON -- The Senate's No. 2 Democrat on Friday asked the Justice Department to investigate whether the CIA obstructed justice by destroying videotapes that documented the harsh 2002 interrogations of two alleged terrorists.

A day after CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden told agency employees the tapes were destroyed in 2005, members of Congress, human rights groups and lawyers for accused terrorists said the tapes may have been key evidence that the U.S. government had illegally authorized torture.

In a letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois asked for a probe of "whether CIA officials who destroyed these videotapes and withheld information about their existence from official proceedings violated the law."

In a speech on the Senate floor, Durbin dismissed the CIA's explanation that it was trying to protect the identities of the interrogators.

"We know that it is possible and in fact easy to cover the faces" of those who appear on camera, Durbin said. "This is not an issue that can be ignored."

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said his committee would conduct a full review of the matter. Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Clinton, D- N.Y., also called for a full investigation.

http://tinyurl.com/2xq82f

Who misses the point of Glenn's posts, or doesn't care, and comes here to regurgitate GOP talking points with no substantive suggestions, we get trolls like this:

Glenn: Please STOP

My values don't allow me to vote for politicians who support fascism, so please stop informing us. It is your duty as a "progressive" to let the public continue believing that Democrats represent liberal democracy, so that voters like me can approach election day with a positive attitude. My faith in the Democratic Party is more important than the facts you report.

P.S. How can I bash Nader voters when you put this kind of stuff out?

--Anonymous

People see what the want to see. Did you know that Glenn Greenwald says Ron Paul is the only serious candidate!

http://mises.com/blogs/tokyotom/archive/2007/11/08/gg.aspx

It's almost like the free market fairy and the invisible hand. If we stamp our feet and click our heels while tapping our money clip three times, Ron Paul, Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich will all get the nomination even though none of them could ever or will ever break 10% in any legitimate polls. Silly season.