He wants to throw the bums out. He wants to fix a broken system. He doesn't want any talk of partisan politics. Did I miss anything, Dounia?

Any concrete suggestions on how you are going to achieve this?

Sounds like the Incompetence Dodge, to me.

Unfortunately, the Dem leadership is implicated in all of this up to their eyeballs.

No wonder they hate us; we're the only ones calling them on it.

... of Salon (War Room) offers a little more on the destruction of the CIA tapes.

Why does this all sound terribly familiar?

Forgive me for not having noticed your posting history attesting to your independent mind; do I take it you are no partisan then, just that you believe the current system will correct itself if we just keep playing by its rules, within its confines?

-- Dounia

Your sarcasm cloaked as honest questions is tiring.

Earlier in the above post you made a remark about also wanting to throw out the Democrats as well as Republicans. I've posted a number of times about Blue America. That would be an example of my being behind - to some degree - the same causes as you are. But, to me, that doesn't mean eliminating the Democratic Party altogether. My support and mentions of Blue America stand as an example that we are in agreement on something, if you would only knock it off with your 'all or nothing' assumptions about my positions. Whether your assumptions are sarcastic or sincere, they are incorrect.

He wants to throw the bums out. He wants to fix a broken system. He doesn't want any talk of partisan politics. Did I miss anything, Dounia?

Any concrete suggestions on how you are going to achieve this? LWM

It's the partisans who want no talk of criticizing their party or the policies of its leaders, past and present. It gets tiresome being told to shut up about the Dems. I won't.

As for the rest, either it gets achieved collectively, or it doesn't. I'm sure you understand that, so try to move your questioning to a different level, we might then begin a dialogue. Mocking me is hardly better than telling me to shut up.

I await with bated breath:

Exactly, although I want the bums out, and brought to justice, not just the Republicans, the Dems too. You want to work the system as it is now, presumably because you still see value in it. I don't. I believe the system is broken, and must be repaired first, it's been unresponsive to the people too long, on too many fundamental issues.

As for the party loyalty thing, that comes from what now appears to me to be a knee jerk response from some quarters to any criticism of the Democratic Party (in terms of delivering results), particularly of Bill Cliton's policies and those of his wife. We are generally told to shut up because the "GOP is much worse" and/or because we "feed into Republican memes".

Forgive me for not having noticed your posting history attesting to your independent mind; do I take it you are no partisan then, just that you believe the current system will correct itself if we just keep playing by its rules, within its confines?

Who or what do you have in mind? Keep us in suspense not a minute longer. I hope it doesn't involve black powder or dynamite. A moneybomb, perhaps? Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich?

Mike, we've been working at the various parts for generations, but the whole remains greater than their sum. A skeptical person might conclude that it always will. So where is the still point of the turning world? A riddle worthy of the sphinx, don't you think?

Mocking me is hardly better than telling me to shut up.

-- Dounia

It's much more amusing to mock you than muzzle you. It is also more likely to achieve the desired result: Cut to the chase. Fish or cut bait. Quit trolling. We aren't n00bs here and we rarely get pwn3d.

It's the partisans who want no talk of criticizing their party or the policies of its leaders, past and present. It gets tiresome being told to shut up about the Dems. I won't.

-- Dounia

This blog has been loaded to the gills with criticizing Democrats. Both in multitudes of Glenn's posts and in the comment section. You would have to be blind beyond repair not to have noticed that.

My sarcasm is genuine, I don't appreciate your tone from the start. Skip my posts if they so irritate you.

As for your activities, whatever improvements in the Dem Party would be useful, so I'm sure your own activism within will help.

See ya, Dounia!

The republicans have proven something over the last four decades: you can change the system when the democrats are in charge. So if you want to change the system, you first put them back in charge again, right?

Does the CIA, with our tens of billions at it disposal still record on videotape? When you can go down to Best Buy and pick up a digital recorder for under $1,000? I tend to doubt it. I would wager that there is a digital version of this, and many other interrogations. Digital versions, as we know, are harder to destroy. If we had a real Justice Department, or a Senate Intel. Committee with stones, I bet that the missing "tape" could be found.

Entryism (or entrism or enterism) is a political tactic by which an organisation encourages members to infiltrate another organisation in an attempt to gain recruits, or take over entirely.

In situations where the organisation being "entered" is hostile to entryism, the entryists may engage in a degree of subterfuge to hide the fact that they are, in fact, an organisation in their own right... Other entryist groups have gone to the extent of hiding both their political views and their organisational existence.

Entryism does not involve dissolving the small organisation into the larger one. Entryism is often (but not always) done secretly and often in organisations run on democratic centralist lines. Entryism is seen by some as a logical conclusion from Leninist political theory which postulates that a "revolutionary vanguard" can successfully foment a revolution within a larger capitalist society, but according to some, the strategy of entryism is as old as politics itself...

During the 2000 presidential election in the United States, some members of the Reform Party, which had been founded by Ross Perot, charged that the presidential campaign of Pat Buchanan was engaging in entryism. However, while a large number of new members did join to support Buchanan, he did not maintain a large separate organisation outside of the Reform Party. It is worth noting that, after the election, many of Buchanan's support did split from the Reform Party, taking several state organizations with them, to form the America First Party. The America First Party itself was quickly engaged in a controversy involving alleged entryism by supporters of James "Bo" Gritz.

Another example of charges of entryism involving the United States Reform Party involved supporters of Fred Newman and the New Alliance Party joining the Reform Party en masse and gaining some level of control over the New York State affiliate of the Reform Party. Another United States politician, Lyndon LaRouche, has attempted an entryist strategy in the Democratic Party since 1980, but with little success.

The two major parties regularly complain of entryism tactics by the other, notably by the GOP, leading to the term 'dirty tricks' being associated with the right wing since the Nixon Era. Recently, in 2007 the Republicans settled a lawsuit in New Hampshire with the Democrats after accusation of infiltration. In addition, GOP and Libertarian Party chapters have complained of takeover by religious or police elements, in one case in Colorado leading to scandal when the charges led to police department shake-ups.

Small parties in recent years have also complained. The US Libertarian Party has lost, according to its annual reports, nearly 90% of its members after a group called the Libertarian Reform Caucus, which its literature says was formed by Republican, Green and former Libertarian Party 'big tent' libertarians de-funded local Libertarian affiliates and 'overturned' the long standing LP platform when it took control in the 2006 convention, leading to the collapse of three quarters of its state parties. The Green and Constitutionalist parties have experienced splits after similar complaints. In common is the appearance of members calling for a more moderate platform, charges of lack of financial transparency, and claims the party must 'get professional' even as archives and resources vanish and positions seem to be quickly changed to support other parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism