Letters to the Editor
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It would be nice
if the Trib had the will to do its own story on this issue rather than just using Time's and then piecemealing corrections.
Still, it's a step in the right direction.
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that's great
It wouldn't suprise me greatly if now Time issued a proper correction, because a major daily newspaper has made it ok.
If they did it before, they'd be bowing to the hoipoi bloggers, but now that ChiTri says the article is wrong, they'll sit up and notice.
Don't forget, they're not just digging in their heels because they're wrong and don't like it being pointed out, it's also because they so detest us great unwashed bloggers having the temerity to question them.
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Post the freaking bill already!
I mean really, if Time even lived up to their own unconscionably weak self-definition, they'd post the text of the FISA bill.
Seriously, if "Republicans say" it can be interpreted one way, and "Democrats don't," how many journalism degrees does it take to think "I know! Let's post the text of the bill and let everyone try to figure it out!" If the goal was to increase public understanding, one would think it wouldn't take too long to come up with that.
The fact that Joe Klein never even considered posting the actual text of the bill is - well, I was going to say it was the real travesty, but it just goes on the long list. It also shows what he actually wants to do when he sits at his desk every morning.
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Good for them
I wrote the trib after reading your piece, Glenn, and got a very nice cust service email saying my letter had been forwarded to the proper editor, etc. etc. Nice to know my hometown paper is doing the right thing.
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Oh Glenn you are so naive FISA is completely debatable if you don't plan on following the law
Just read Peter Hoekstra's article in the NRO. See Republicans believe laws only apply when its convenient and so Everyone else must believe that too.
My favorite part excerpted below
Second, Klein was correct in his original contention that the bill recently passed by the House of Representatives “would require the surveillance of every foreign-terrorist target’s call to be approved by the FISA Court.” It is true that one section of the bill states the “clarification” that such an order is not required, but that’s not the end of the story.
Anyone who understands how FISA works in practice or how the bill is intended to work as a whole understands that a court order is necessary to compel the cooperation of third parties to actually conduct the surveillance and provide clear liability protection for assisting the government. Without such protection, third parties are unlikely to cooperate, especially after being subjected recently to baseless and unfair attacks. Such court orders are expressly provided for later in the bill.
See you don't have to follow the law you just have to understand how FISA works in practice. How convenient is that!
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Ummm...O.K.?
Glenn-
You've written thousands of words, made dozens of phone calls, (probably) sent hundreds of e-mails--all in an effort to point out and hold Time to account for the numerous problems with the original article and the resulting "clarifications." And I agree with all of it.
Does this 40-word, two-sentence correction (that was probably buried in the Tribune) really mollify you so easily? It only addresses ONE of the many lies and misstatements in the article, and doesn't actually represent that even this short correction basically means the entire premise of the essay was false.
It's hard to believe that Time could have avoided this whole protracted controversy during this past week by writing a similar 40-word statement on Monday.
Short attention span, indeed!
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I'm starting to feel like GG uses Salon to vent his bitchy personal vendettas
I swear this column has devolved into he said she said bitchery and poo fling over what some bloggers said about other bloggers on someone else's blog about blogging about bloggers in the metablogs about the media.
There's pretty much 3 topics of discussion here: Joe Klein, Joe Klein and of course Joe Klein. We get it, Joe Klein kicked your dog.
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Now...
...was that so hard? Corrections, and all that journalism stuff? Make a mistake, acknowledge it, correct it. Maybe the ego thing really is a bigger factor than the money/agenda/credulity...
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Damage aleardy done?
So, the Trib prints the Klein piece verbatim then issues a correction the next day. My question - how many Trib readers saw flawed article and how many will see the "correction". I say that the damage has already been done. The seeds of false information have already been planted.
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Well, I can certainly understand why you would post this:
There's pretty much 3 topics of discussion here: Joe Klein, Joe Klein and of course Joe Klein. We get it, Joe Klein kicked your dog.
--Anonymous
amonymously. BTW, are you Joe Klein? He uses that name too and then lies about it, but you have the process wrong this time. You lied first, then used "anonymous".
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Obama is a Muslim?
As if to one up Time magazine in reporting errors and rumors as fact, the Washington Post today recycles the "Obama is a Muslim" meme on its front page.
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NRO: Peter Hoekstra on FISA & Joe Klein
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGVlNzk2YmQ4NGZjNjFhZjU4NmE0OGYyOTBhYjNiNDA=
Hi Glenn,
I am loving your passion and aggressiveness on this whole Klein thing. Keep it up. If you haven't seen it, the above link is Peter Hoekstra's response to all this. He seems afraid to mention you by name.
Just some more grist for your righteous mill.
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"There's pretty much 3 topics of discussion here..."
Yeah, 'cause things like passing on false statements about things like national security and illegal spying and covering for the people doing the spying is just so (yawwwnnnnnnnnnnn)...
Try to keep up.
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Worth a real answer
I'm starting to feel like GG uses Salon to vent his bitchy personal vendettas
I swear this column has devolved into he said she said bitchery and poo fling over what some bloggers said about other bloggers on someone else's blog about blogging about bloggers in the metablogs about the media.
There's pretty much 3 topics of discussion here: Joe Klein, Joe Klein and of course Joe Klein. We get it, Joe Klein kicked your dog. -Anonymous
No, Joe Klein wrote cheerleader pieces in support of invading Iraq, and then in favor of staying there. Joe Klein wrote columns scolding Democrats for any opposition to George W. Bush's disastrous war and other aspects of his foreign policy.
Joe Klein allowed his highly visible position as a supposed Democrat and moderate, and even "liberal" to some, to be linked to and otherwise used by the right-wing attack machine to point to and say "See? This is what a reasonable Democrat says". All of his tut-tutting and High Broderism contributed to the marginalization, in the Beltway mind and the public mind, of anyone who questioned the disasters of the past 8 years of this administration.
This definitely contributed to the brainwashing of voters who take Time Magazine and the major mainstream newspapers seriously, and who listen to someone like Klein while never hearing the voices of the bloggers and other marginalized voices, marginalized in no small part by those so-called mainstream Democrats like Klein.
If you think calling them to account is unimportant, if you think it's a matter of dog-kicking (which puzzled me, I mean what did Klien do to Greenwald that would even make sense of that claim?) -- then go ahead. I mean you may be a GOP troll and probably are, but just in case anyone from the reality-based side of the road is actually wondering why this is important-- all of the above is why. Brainwashed voters elected this walking disaster, at least to some degree, and it's time to fight back against those most responsible for the brainwashing. One posing as a giant, visible concern troll is perhaps the most insidious of all of these.