and has the added benefit of being true. One sided stenographers would get fired.

It's getting harder and harder to find an appropriate comparisons for these people.

We can't call then stenographers, whores, etc. without insulting stenographers, whores, etc.

We are in dire need of a new vocabulary.

I like it. A philosophy of
* picking nits,
* hindsight as foresight,
* character assassination as criticism,
* negativity as a natural state,
* hyperbole as reality,
* legality equating morality.
Truly a way of the life, for the relentlessly unhappy.
--(h/t)Scientician, Andrew Sullivan, previous thread

Well, Klein editor, Priscilla Painton, has cleared out her voicemail box, so people should feel free to express their opinion of her role in this debacle (including her incredibly rude behavior toward Jane Hamsher) by calling her at 212 522 2022.

And while others have suggested that you be polite about it, "polite" doesn't seem to have had much of an impact on her so far...

Stenographers scrupulously attribute what is said and who said it. Our vaunted correspondents take their dictation from "unknown sources."

There is one sense where the "liberal media" label remains fitting. Insofar as Liberals have a greater tendency to seek truth and are more willing to examine issues critically then unfortunately for the propogandists, the media would be liberal if it were doing its job properly.

The most infuriating aspect of this whole business however remains that the worst culprits are people who are identified as Liberal ot Centrist but who are in fact no such thing. They of course are the ones who make their living lamenting all the strategic errors Democrats make by failing to kiss Karl Rove's ample ass.

Thirdly, I'm glad you brought up comparisons to the Iraq war run-up. The one thing all these issues have in common is the fact that they start from a desired story or a desired outcome and facts are cherry picked along the way to support the narrative, truth be damned. This is why the Joe Klein flap is important. He may be dismissed as just another dishonest journalist hack, but dishonest journalist hacks currently have the blood of thousands of US soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens on their hands.

the first troll.
Not really in the mood yet? Get another cup of coffee and try again later as that was pretty pathetic. We know you can do better than that.

Really poor effort today from...

the first troll.

-- Wabanatta_3

Shooter was so proud of that comment post that he actually copy/pasted his comment from the preceding thread, for fear that it might get overlooked, I guess.

Josh Tyrangiel is the editor of Time.com ... in other words, he's responsible for the Time's online content (including Klein's insulting blog posts, and the phony "correction")

His number at Time Inc is 212 522 9883

(the message says he'll be out of the office until friday, but he'll probably be picking up his voicemail...so leave him a message telling him how you feel about this debacle.)

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Since when did facts become subordinate to party affiliation?

When exactly did that happen?

How did these GOP hacks obtain control of Time magazine?

How many other Time magazine editors are out there peddling propaganda?

Unbelievable.

One thing people need to remember. Joe isn't a GOP hack. He's a DLC hack. This differs from a GOP hack in important ways which I'll gladly explain as soon as I can come up with something plausable.

as Glenn notes, take "getting it right" very seriously, as does the legal sytem that employs them. I have been deposed on multiple occasions, and in every case the stenographer offers me the option of reviewing the written transcript before it is presented in hearing or court. If I say something stupid or self-contradictory in my deposition, I can't later claim I was mis-quoted (hint to Mitt Romney!).

On a seperate note, to call Shooter a troll is to insult the entire class of hardworking, right-wing-ass-kissing trolls...

The problem that the Post and NYT have is that the content they produce isn't selling enough papers. Glenn, why is this so hard for you to grasp: the purpose of the NYT and Post writers and editors is to sell ads, just as the reason for your column is to get me to see the CNN and MSN Live Search ads on this page. The most valuable news coverage out there today is Fox, since people actually want to watch it, as the ratings clearly show.

Why do you persist in this pretentious delusion that "we're the 4th estate, we're special"? News coverage is just another form to content to drive ad impressions and revenue, no different from Lost or America's Next Top Model.

Time and friends exist principally to trumpet government claims and minimize and belittle anything to the contrary, and they pretend to "balance" it all only when they're caught mindlessly transcribing these one-sided claims and are forced to do write down what the other side says, too.

- Glenn Greenwald

I know that currently the White House and the GOP are one in the same, and that today criticizing Bush or the GOP (as Natalie Manes found out the hard way) is equal in the mind of the rightwing and the media to criticizing the United States, that will most likely be changing in a little over a year. The reason I point this out, and quoted Glenn above, is that the press acts as stenographer for the government TODAY, but as of January 20, 2009, (based on the overwhelming disapproval of the GOP by voters) they will stop taking dictation from the government, and look soley to the RNC and the rightwing's top spokespeople (Limbaugh, Drudge, and Murdoch) for how to interpret the news.

I know this may seem like an obvious point, and that the press already looks to Drudge and Limbaugh for how to interpret the news and what "patriotism" is, but not since I was too young to remember have we had a Democratic White House overseeing a collosally disasterous war. The allegience of the press currently to the government, and the asleep-at-the-switch policy of just running White House statements through a spell-check, will most likely run a different course with a much more alert press. They will stay be taking dictation, but not from the US government.