Today I'm in my office scheduling, estimating, arguing, offering, etc. But I'm also watching this conversation and it caused me to add, and cross off, a few items to my to-do list:

1. call Richard Stengel's office - check

2. email Richard Stengel - check

3. comment on Joe Klein's blog at Time - check

4. call my Congressman, again, to ask what he's doing to end the US occupation of Iraq - check

Had it not been for the first three items, it would not have occurred to me to do the fourth. What they have in common is speaking out. I feel better to be participating. Glenn, thanks for the example.

Glenn, excellent article as usual, but hardly "news" not even in the Orwellian sense. As a reader of Time since forever, I never had any respect for this rag.

For decades when I wanted to convince someone that what passes for News in America is simply propaganda; I would ask them to go to the library, get a history book on America and then compare it to the Orwellian swill that TIME was flogging at the time. The dichotomy is shocking, at least to people like Glenn who apparently still believe that you can call an editor and "sort things out". The editor's response was all the answer you'll get Glenn, there is no truth, there is only the big lie, oft repeated. TIME has always been at odds with the facts - at least where the facts contradict what the permanent government in America would have the proles believe.

You see I have this nasty habit of remembering things. I remember all the TIME articles about the brave Green Berets and how they were "helping" the Vietnamese (while killing 3 million of them). And I remember how Russia was the evil empire complete with picture after picture of their ugly women, and evil men. And then I remember how the Sovs suddenly (and briefly) became our friends. The Sovs did not change, but the goals of TIME and their employers did, and the story lines followed.

TIME is only useful in the sense that Pravda was; if you want to know the truth - just reverse everything. So if in Pravda you read that there was a bumper wheat crop in the Ukraine, you could count on a million or so serfs dying of starvation. Just like today in TIME where you can read "fascist occupiers" in Iraq where they say "liberators", or "fanatical Zionists" where they say "Israeli settlers".

Glenn, the democratic country with a free press, that you seem to think you live in, does not exist, it never did. It's true, I read it in TIME magazine. Read it between the lines anyway.

'John Kerry "craved the approval" of Joe Klein.'

And I thought it was bad enough that you had to reference anything Bob Shrum.

Geez, what an incestuous clusterf*ck.

Twenty years ago, I remember telling a friend that if he wanted to break the spell of Time or Newsweek, or U.S. News and World Report, all he had to do was wait till six months after the sell-by date to read them.

It's nice to know that someone else has happened on the same epiphany.

ok-...As low licks feather p- a-the wood, the hoarsely, an' a Gog, let us glaum for ourselves, wi'yer ignore them on-ding an we Wei' yer swirling' see a bastardy kind? okay.

We see a face filled with scorn, an fill-full, yuck, there faces with molted frighted; and damita whammel dune. dead? 'um yeses doomed. girth creepies abuse!

apologies. ok.!

Lambaste more.

No try to figure.

It makes no sense.

Pass right over it.

Seriouly, ignore it.

The 29%'ers who still support Bush are not Time's demographic. Sooner or later, as Time loses credibility, they will lose sales. It's not like their magazine contains have recipes or celebrity skin. When Time's "news" is no longer recognized as news, it will lose its readership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Painton

And the "truth" from the organ of the permanent government itself... http://www.time.com/time/mediakit/1/us/timemagazine/press/bios/painton.html

Her greatest accomplishment (other than hanging up on a real journalist)? "She and her team produced that year’s (2002)“Person of the Year” cover on George W. Bush." - from her TIME bio.

What if the commenters you all say you do like and appreciate (e.g. not onesy-twosy commenters like me and all you complainers, but the heart-and-soul folks like WT, Holly McLachlan, Pedinska et al.) also take their leave if 'bop does?

Paul Daniel, you must have been reading my mind. There is indeed a feast to be had here in the comment section. Glenn's meticulous analysis and the special chemistry of those who comment here is what makes it all so extraordinary. Bebop is integral to the recipe.

If B were left out, the nutrition would still be good but the flavor just wouldn't be the same. Like eating cookies made by someone else, using your Grandmother's favorite recipe, but missing the 'secret spice' that she added to make it extra special.

I don't know that I would leave, but I certainly wouldn't relish the feast as much.

(BTW, thanks for the enormous compliment. There are so many phenomenal writers here, way more knowledgeable and articulate than myself, that I blushed when I read that!)

No worry about refuting a slanderer, and it is their own anguish, that I see as very severe.

No defend, realize, sometimes,

it is their own sorrow, it is,

their hurt, that is so severe.

No worry about refuting a slanderer, and it is their own anguish, that I see as very severe.

No defend, realize, sometimes,

it is their own sorrow, it is,

their hurt, that is so severe.

It's a shame they don't understand.

Because this is beautiful, and sad, and true.

I would definitely leave. It would be you, me and W.T., in a canoe, paddling off into the sunset whilst drinking blueberry whine.