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Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:00 AM

Demand answers from Time magazine

The Time editors responsible for Joe Klein's "Shameful Journalism" arrogantly refuse to account for what they did.

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Tuesday, November 27, 2007 03:26 PM

Re Frames, theories, models, and narratives

I dunno. This is where it gets interesting to me. If I exchange theory for master narrative, frame, or idealized cognitive model, and slide over to Glasser’s grounded theory, they *would* be paid to write the frame, because the frame should emerge from the phenomena itself. What I understand Charlie Savage to have done was to step back and consider what was emerging from the phenomena, the Bush administration, didn’t fit the frame he was accustomed to working with. Ergo, he needed a different frame/narrative/theory from which to do his reporting. His narrative failed to capture the phenomena; it didn’t fit (Fit: has to do with how closely concepts fit with the incidents they are representing, and this is related to how thoroughly the constant comparison of incidents to concepts was done. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Socialenterprise:theory).

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Glaser's grounded theory is a method for generating something a lot more conscious than a frame, as far as I can tell. Lakoff and Johnson talk about grounding metaphors as a means of getting their cognitive structures off the ground. This is like the prototypes needed to get Fillmore's frames off the ground, as far as I can tell. I'm not sure that Fauconnier's frames need grounding, since they are just mutually agreed upon systems of experience: a frame of a soccer game allows the actions of the players to be talked about without detailing the actions, since there are standard actions in the frame. Lakoff needs grounding because of proposing that all cognition is metaphors and needing to be connected to reality by some fundamental metaphorical structure that is so basic it is just innate. But then he disclaimed these later.

At the level of political discourse, frames constitute the empty structure that you fit the pieces into, like you were saying. In Fauconnier's terms, you recruit them into your mental space to give form to the phenomena. So Charlie Savage is trading a frame for a frame, and his new frame allows more phenomena to be organized and gelled into a world view than the old one. Technically, it wouldn't be correct to say one frame was more realistic than another since it is the recruiting of frames, spaces, and other elements that construct the reality. When doing investigations, however, Savage is creating a theory, which needs to have Fit, as you said.

But in conversations, frames are recruited to establish the reality itself in which the conversation takes place. Consequently, politically, the speaker who recruits the frame is at the advantage of having prescribed how reality looks and how it will be interpreted, felt, acted on, and further spoken about. Most frames and conversations are recruited not to manipulate reality but to construct it, so the listener who believes the frames are being recruited normally is unaware that their reality is being manipulated.

So when I asked whether their job was to write to the frame, I was wondering if they were both being told not to alter the reality in place (since the current reality is selling, therefore good), and to recruit the approved frames to create the proper reality for the reader (one that keeps the reader buying the magazine). My guess is that corporate media don't like people creating new frames in general unless they can pull off a Pulitzer for doing so. Instead, they want a steady stream of what is selling. Hence Klein's constant recruiting of standard frames (Dems soft on security, partisanship ruining Washington,...) to write, whether or not they fit any facts. Up until someone like Glenn nails them, they are comfort food that sells magazines by convincing the reader that the reader is well informed since magically everything the reader has absorbed as true in the past turns out to be easily true in the present. Might just produce the same lack of criticality that was promised by Muzak to it's customers to make people buy more at shopping malls. But Muzak just dulls the thought processes, what Klein does creates dulled accepting servile realities.

I'm in a difficult academic defense of some low level metaphorical processes right now, I ramble because of the total immersion. Disregard if incomprehensible.

By the way, MauiMom and Semiodd, bebop-o is really doing some writing that needs to be done, if you can't understand him, that's okay, but the rest of us read and enjoy what he writes. Have you written better?

Tuesday, November 27, 2007 03:28 PM

Anonymous @ 3:16.Thank you.

bebop-o.

sincerely.

Art James.

Tuesday, November 27, 2007 03:29 PM

In re: Update IV

Thus, the path of least resistance for media outlets is to do what Joe Klein does -- loyally pass on GOP-fed smears of Democrats, because they know that conservatives will pat them on the head for it, while Congressional Democrats not named "Rush Holt" will remain passive and silent, all in the hope that by doing so, the press will like them more and treat them better next time. That's why Rep. Holt's aggressive response to Time's falsehoods today was so impressive, and so rare.

Amazing that, among an entire party of "leaders," this most basic leadership principle is nowhere to be found. Politics is people, and people are beholden to perceptions, so confidence and unequivocation defines political reality.

Don't play by the terms defined by your enemies. Create your own terms.

Oh, why do I bother -- the people that need to read this most are too busy searching the glossy pages of Time for the way forward.

Give 'em hell, Glenn.

Tuesday, November 27, 2007 03:51 PM

bebop's a lulu

and I don't mean maybe

Tuesday, November 27, 2007 03:54 PM

Mlle Painton

Did call her. Because I speak French and apparently she also speaks French, tried to leave a message but the answering machine cut off 5 seconds after I started talking.

Will try again.

Keep up the good work, GG.

Tuesday, November 27, 2007 03:55 PM

Destruction of Time Magazines: Mostly at the Drs. offices.

I know for a fact that the TIME mags have been removed from the Drs. offices and from one major hospital. I recommend others take advantage of the magazine racks at you health care facility to get rid of all TIME mags. No one even notices their disappearance. It's a start. Time's motto is the DISTORTION of Time by TIME. Their reporting has been reduced to pure propaganda. It will come back to them like a curse reflects on itself. They deserve their reputation and would not even respond to criticism except they got caught blatantly lying.

Thanks Glenn for showing them for what they are....Pathetic Propaganda.

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