- arrenfrank

I think the campaign Mr. Greenwald is leading here is precisely the antidote to what's wrong with the media.

Of course it is ludicrous that they publish easily debunked falsehoods that propagandize against basic Constitutional values. But how else are we going to do something to change it unless we hold them directly and immediately accountable, by publicly analyzing exactly how a specific piece of reportage is plainly false, insisting on a correction, persistently following up to demand accountability, and refusing to settle for milquetoast obfuscations?

This is exactly what Mr. Greenwald has done here, and enlisted others to help do, and I'm proud and inspired to see someone actually pursue such an active and well-argued demand for accountability.

Mr. Klein and Time magazine might so easily have just let this blatantly false propaganda piece slide by, but it's plain to everyone now that Mr. Klein and Time were not just wrong but are still in denial about the gravity of their systematic journalistic failure as revealed by this episode, and deserve shame for their failure. That kind of public shame must result in a renewed caution and vigor among at least some journalists out there, as well as consumers of journalism.

This time from Mark Halperin, entitled "Why Oprah Won't Help Obama"....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/whyoprahwonthelpobama

You can bet that if Oprah Winfrey had endored Romney or Giuliani, Time would be calling it the greatest coup in the history of politics.

Thank God you don't give up and stand for what journalism should stand for. I wanted to personally thank you and hope more writers will follow. If media begins to feel the public is craving for the truth, they might decide that's where the money is. Again thanks for your efforts!

Glenn Greenwald, you and your blogging brethern give me hope that we may be able to save our democracy and constitution. I am so hopeful that issues such as the 'Joe Klein fiasco' will see the light of day because of you and the others who are working to expose these corrupt fixtures in our media. Without the internet, the majority of us would have never been able to follow this story and so many others like it.

My next email will be to Time, Inc.

Is it too much to think that if we made a concerted effort to email Tim Russert that we could get you and Joe Klein on Meet the Press to discuss the corruption of our media? At some point, this story, and other like it, have to become big enough to be 'worthy' of further discussion and examination on the Sunday talk shows.

Who has Russert's direct email? He and the others in his postition are just skimming the surface of what they believe is newsworthy in this country. They'll spend each and every Sunday discussing all sorts of polls about Hillary, Romney, and all the other candidates, but they must be shown by a groundswell from us, that we Americans (patriotic, caring Americans, I might add) are interested in saving our democracy and that we feel it is slipping away.

Thank you for all that you have done.

rjp

Glenn,

This is simply a demonstration of how easy it is for a lie to be disseminated compared to how difficult it is to defeat it. The "journalist" dutifully passes the propaganda along and we have to almost literally twist arms to get them to take it back and admit error. How little energy it took to spread the lie versus how much time and energy you had to spend fighting it. You had to write 3 or 4 long posts, email the various parties, recruit other bloggers, and ask your readers to take action via email and phone.

AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T FULLY ADMITTED IT. They are still hemming and hawing about whether an error was even made! Plus, we will almost certainly never get them to admit the true level of their laziness and dishonesty.

These people do not consider themselves to be on the same level as you and I. They are somehow not beholden to the same unifying principles and morals that regular people of society adhere to. Professionalism is dead.

Lefty

www.leftopia.blogspot.com

Mauimom and semiodd, I do the same thing. I actually do read all the comments sequentially, and I usually don't see who's written it until I get to the signature line.

But for "The Poet", after a few words it's usually clear who's writing, whether the sig at the end is bebop-o or GoodCelery! or whatever the handle of the moment is, and the scrollwheel goes into action. See ya.

I have yet to feel impoverished intellectually about so doing, despite the various vague defenses of his "work" by some very smart posters here. I cannot recall even one time that the later references to what-a-great-post-that-was which caused me to go back and review the boppalicious post in question and I felt that I agreed.

When people kneejerk to the defense of the bebopped one, I feel like I've felt a couple of times at various art events, when somebody points out what amounts to a rearrangement of materials bought at Home Depot and showing less skill than the average kindergartner, and calls it "Art". And how dare I be philistine enough to point out in answer that it very well might be just ridiculous bullshit and not possessed of any depth greater than that?

Fine, guys. Maybe his rambling reaches what to you is art. On the other hand, my butt's a wind instrument and I achieve perfect pitch from time to time. Also, stopped clocks are right twice a day, and a million monkeys at a million typewriters typing for a million years would turn out the works of bebop-o several times an hour. It doesn't take a good actor to recognize a bad one.

If he's contributing so much and so obviously of value, perhaps you'd care to click on his name and review the (at this point) just under two thousand posts that he's put up on Salon as bebop-o alone, and which take over five hundred of Salon's format of webpage to display.

Kindly cull through them and present me an analysis of his Greatest Hits, and show me exactly how, objectively, this babbling reaches the level of say, The Waste Land as opposed to just Waste of My Time. I agree with the posters who would want a filter button.

Although the words aren't the obnoxiousness of a david sugarman or a Garry Owen, it shares their qualities of excessive postings to a thread of which very very very little have to do with the topic at hand, and provide me an obstacle rather than an illumination to that topic.

If I were the moderator here, I would banhammer him in the same way those other two were, sweethearted 'Nam veterancy and organic cooking skills notwithstanding, by limiting Mr. Vogon-o-bop to a single post a day.