Letters to the Editor
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Anonymust and B...
I was going to post another comment for you and Pedinska and jkalos, and whoever else was with us (lurking or not) on that sub-thread... and ask if we were going to have a group "cleaning" devoted to clearing the maladministration. If not, I might just do it on my own...
I'm in. It can't come too soon.
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abrau
Our liberal values of kindness and cooperation are being exploited to our detriment. Keep it objective. Stick to the facts. Firm, but polite.
I'm pretty much of a mind that a person only deserves as much respect as he or she demonstrates. I'm sick of this game of patty-cake with people who'd just as soon spit in my eye. And I don't just mean comment boards, where I couldn't care less if someone tosses off without rejoinder.
If someone wants to have a reasoned conversation, I'm all for it. But if they want to act like a clown or a ten-year-old bully, I'm dressing them down without hesitation.
I used to debate political issues on a live radio show in which conservatives always outnumbered liberals by at least one or two. The right-wingers had no problem piling on in the most unfair way possible, and this was just a microcosm of the larger political climate. The only way to deal with that gang mentality is to hit back like you mean it.
Because you do.
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If I want news or an opinion from MSM
I get it from FT, the Pink One.
Everything else pales by comparison.
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@shooter242
I'm walking away from this one. You're not making any sense at all (and I think you know it, too).
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okay shooter
i grew up in an irish (american) family where political discorse was common. we did not call names nor dis those that disageed with us, but looked for common ground, such as our country and those that pay taxes, not our political parties sucking up to money.
what say?
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Shooter - serial liar
shooter began by asserting that hatred was by defeinition irrational. This is, of course the first step in a whole series of falacies. This is particularly galling when irrational hatred is defined down to being rude to someone at a dinner party.
Not liking someone's policies is a long way from personal animus
When the policies in question include subjecting people to inhuman discomfort in the hopes that they might have useful information and invading a nation and killing tens of thousands of people on the basis of easily disproved assertions from sources known to be unreliable(google "Curveball") then personal animus is not only justified but is practically required of anyone with a smidgen of moral awareness.
the loony left
Of course the dismissal of a viewpoint by namecalling is pretty much like currency to shooter's crowd but it actually only serves to remind us of the moral vacuum that he and his friends occupy.
I said that the reverence accorded Clinton.
Again, when in doubt - make shit up. I know many people who hated Clinton and I know many who thought he was a good President - but reverence only exists in the fevered imagination of the Clinton haters.
As for Clinton's approval ratings, as always IOKIYAD.
Yes - it certainly is inconvenient when the general public likes someone you hate. Its almost as bad as having the general public hate someone you like. Such is the life of a 28 percenter.
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Before I hit the hay
I want to address a totally unrelated, but important topic.
Check out this video/story about the State Dept. Inspector General's interference with investigations into Blackwater actions in Iraq, if you haven't already:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/14/house-hearings-on-state-department-ig-shows-conflict/
Why isn't this a bigger story??
By the way, nice job Rep. Cummings.
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Clinton and Religion and All That
There seem to be some posters who are whining that Clinton gets a pass on bad acts and Bush gets pilloried. I think I can clear this up a bit. I live in a flyover state, obviously, and I can say that the average person in these parts who read the paper, watched the TV news, or listened to the radio pretty much thought one of the points on the following list, no matter their political affiliation.
1. Whitewater was about some real estate deal gone bad. It was beaten worse than a dead horse. Few understood what it was about since new information oozed out like frozen mollasses. When the Foster death was linked to just about everyone in the Clinton administration, many thought that some people had too much time on their hands and/or read too many murder mysteries.
2. Clinton was impeached because he fooled around with an intern. He wasn't, but the connection was hard to break. Even when people reminded each other that he was impeached for lying, the confusion remained. Even the lie itself was seen as a lie about his personal life, not government business.
3. So most have forgotten the Clinton impeachment debacle. It was just something the Republicans kicked dust about to keep the country at a standstill for two years. And it worked. The Republicans pushed certain points about the Clintons, got their impeachment, and made sure that any other bad decision made by the Clintons were consigned to the dustbin until poli sci students study Clinton 20 years after his death. Sucks to be a Republican sometimes, but don't bet all your chips on a couple of numbers.
Bush has never been impeached and he's had a free pass for far too long. Me talking now. I don't really care that Bushies have their little feelings hurt. I've been provoked and mocked by holier-than-thou Bushies for seven years now, in person and in the media. It's all I can do to listen to them without wretching, and this is coming from someone who mustered some sympathy for Nixon, and even LBJ and George Wallace, who seemed to have done some soul searching before their deaths.
So now here we are, at another crossroads. We've been held in thrall by a "say the magic woid" religion, supposedly Bush's religion, that lets us be as shitty as we wanna be on earth as long as we truly give ourselves to Jesus before we rattle our last breath.
What concerns me though is that even some in the Evangelical Right don't seem to want to keep up the facade of Christianity anymore. I mean they are endorsing Guilliani! How cynical can you get?
And is there anybody out there who really thinks Bush is a Christian? I mean really? Bottom line, when you strip the Christian facade off of most Bushies you are left with people with a waaay inflated sense of entitlement, a choking dose of cluelessness, and a bone-deep boredom with life.