Letters to the Editor
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In the interest of full disclosure
UPDATE: Bruce Fein is an example of a conservative who -- by virtue of his outspoken opposition to Bush lawbreaking -- has generated substantial respect among Bush critics, including many liberals. Yet Fein hasn't changed his views at all. He is, for instance, emphatically pro-life, and rather recently urged that "President George W. Bush should pack the United States Supreme Court with philosophical clones of Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas and defeated nominee Judge Robert H. Bork." Fein is still a hard-core conservative, but a principled one. At least in that regard, I would compare Fein to Paul.
You might disclose that Fein is counsel to the Paul campaign.
Fein is of counsel to Ron Paul's campaign for the 2008 Presidential nomination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Fein
Why not find out where John Dean stands?
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Some core from Orcinus vis a vis Paul
This is a small quote from the excellent rebuttle to Greenwald's failed attempt to rebuff Neiwert at Orcinus:
The problem with Ron Paul isn't that he has irrelevant associations with far-right extremists -- it's that he seeks out their support, openly advocates their agenda, and receives financial and ideological support from them. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere awhile back -- though I can't find it now -- that Paul has historically received an unusually high percentage of his financial support for his congressional campaigns from outside his district.) Those grim realities make his associations all too relevant, especially for a public official in the position of a serving congressman, and now, presidential candidate.
He doesn't just happen to have these slackjaws as followers, like flies to dung. He actively seeks them out which absolutely is indicative of a fellow traveler. That and his desire to exclude citizenship rights to brown people's children if they are born here speaks volumes. I'm deaf now.
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@josephthelibertarian
"Nulla Sallus
People like you shouldn't be allowed to vote. You just are an absolute moron - across the board. Do some research, lefty"
--joshephthelibertarian
If you had bothered to familiarize yourself with the history of the poster Nulla Sallus on this forum you would have realized how off the rails you have been referring to Nulla Sallus as a "lefty". Your Pualiacness seems to have resulted in you having a hair-trigger and dangerously poor aim.
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Ron Paul distortions and smears
Public figures aren't derided as "nutjobs" and "fruitcakes" because their views are held by a minority. These epithets are reserved for those with views shared by a broad cross-section of the public. The specific intent of this language is to make those of us who agree with the speaker feel isolated and alone. If someone is calling Ron Paul a "insane" on Fox News, will people think I'm insane if I speak up in support of him?
The beauty of the Paul campaign is the way the internet has enabled tens of thousands of like-minded people to find each other very quickly. One day I'm the only person I know who supports Ron Paul. The next day I'm one of over 800 members in one of 1,100 meetup groups, all sharing the same goal. This "Revolution" is much bigger than I ever thought it could be, and has plenty of room to grow.
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I love you, Mr. Greenwald
Thank you for doing your homework.
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@ Tempus
Glenn was over there late last night and even exchanged some comments with Dave. This is what many fail to realize about this sector of the right.
One sector of the right wing thinks the greatest existential threat to liberty is an external threat, (Islamic terrorists, communism before that). The other fears the greatest threat to liberty is an internal threat, liberals, progressives, socialists, collectivists, communists and any authority or government they refuse to recognize. In fact, it seems clearer and clearer every day that there is no federal government they will ever be satisfied with. Their solutions will be the same either way. It always is with them. They are both xenophobic on immigration but Bush likes to provide cheap labor for big business.
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apologies Glenn. I need to let other's hash this out. I blame this:
Yesterday I was given this:...For ages three and up, a jar of apple scented bubble solution.
With only 4- Fl. Oz of it, an old gouger can have a barrel of fun. The dollar store sell it.
A pretty bubble wand is included.
P.S. Made in China. It's good for the global economy. GO. apologies. It's too complicated, okay.
The suns popping out for a solar nice day.
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Strawpoll08
Sorry if this is a repost, I have to run to the office so I don't have time to check all the comments.
Glenn, did you see this? http://www.strawpoll08.com/ronpaul.htm
Dr. Paul may himself be a stand up guy, but a lot of his supporters are batshit crazy.
Not that I wouldn't vigorously support a Unity 08 Paul/Kucinich, Kucinich/Paul ticket.
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@Update III
Despite Ron Paul's Sep 26 vote in Congress against Moveon.org, a Ron Paul news website features on Oct 10, this pro-Ron-Paul commercial by Moveon.org.
http://ronpaulnews.net/2007/10/moveonorg-commercial-hails-ron-paul.html
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Black Crows Caw
Crows are some of the smartest birds in the air, and the ones around my place are very clever in their assessments of situations; they appear to consider among themselves, discuss, evaluate, come to conclusions, divide labor, and go to work. They're demanding, too. They love to sit on the sidewalk outside the donut shop demanding tribute from the patrons; often enough, they get what they want. When they don't, though, they seem to take it in stride and wait for their next mark to pass by and give them a treat. I've been told they can be taught to speak English, though I can't say I've ever heard one speak in any but Crow Talk. How many crows are there in a murder?
Crows are clever to be sure, but ravens are bullies. How many ravens constitute an unkindness?
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Wow! That's huge!
Where is that?
The next day I'm one of over 800 members in...
The average meet-up group size is about 50.
http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/weekly_meetup_group_size.html
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Straw Paul
About Ron Paul
Many are asking, "Why isn't Ron Paul on the condensed monthly poll and weekly poll?"
I'll give a time line and summary of developments on this site relating to Ron Paul.
When Ron Paul first announced I received many emails telling me to put him on. Not nice emails. They were emails filled with expletives and full of berating comments.
Since strawpoll08 is trying to be fair and include all, (as you can see from having over 120 candidates and over 50 parties to choose from) I decided to put him on all the polls.
I soon learned something. In the world of the Ron Paul follower, if he isn't winning, then it must be because of a big vast corporate conspiracy meant to suppress him. But if he is winning, then it's the Jesus given truth.
Well Ron Paul wasn't winning some of the polls. Because of this I received many berating emails filled with expletives, insults and conspiracy theories. The chat room and myspace messages were filled with such messages too.
We're not talking a handful of idiots here. We're talking many uncouth idiots.
When one like me is trying to run a nice pleasant website, having such activity isn't conducive to having a pleasant online environment. Plus receiving many berating, expletive filled messages over and over just isn't nice.
So I made a decision to not reward bad behavior. I took Mr. Paul off the condensed polls and left him on the expanded and junk polls. After all I still wanted to be somewhat fair. I figured at least their candidate would be on a poll against others.
Well this provoked even more, berating, expletive filled conduct from Paul supporters. This was around February of 07.
So I made another decision to not reward bad behavior. I took him off all the polls.
I received even more expletive filled berating messages.
Well it quieted down. I'd receive the random expletive filled message here and there for the next seven months.
Come October I had to update my polls. Just as a token of good will to the jerk-wads, I thought I'd put him back on the expanded and junk polls at least.
No sooner is he added and I start receiving the mass, berating expletive filled messages again!
It is mass consensus amongst non-Ron Paul supporters online, that the majority of his followers are uncouth, rude thugs! So me noticing this isn't something limited to strawpoll08. Even Ron Paul himself had to separate himself from his supporters for their actions.
My point? My site is not the only one that recognizes Paul supporters need a serious attitude adjustment.
I never received a message from another candidate's followers berating me about their candidate. Not one! Now don't you Paulies start sending me messages acting like you support someone else, and then berate me in their name. I'll know it's you doing it. Receiving one or two berating messages from another candidate's followers isn't going to make me take them off my polls. I'm on to the games you all will try to play after reading this.
So here's something I'm offering Paul supporters.
I'll consider putting him on the other two polls. Given you don't send me any berating messages. For every berating message you send me, I'll delay his inclusion on the polls.
I will keep him on the expanded and junk polls. But his votes will be reset to zero every time I get a berating message from one of you.
I'm only doing this to Paul supporters because of the extreme amount of rude messages and conduct they have. If it was just a handful of them, I'd ignore it. But it's clear a majority of them are this way and think they'll get their way by being rude.
Again you Paulies, don't send me berating messages in another candidate's name thinking it will get me to delete them from my polls. I know it's you.
Don't act like I'm being unfair because I'm only doing this to Ron Paul. I'm only doing this to Paul's votes because of the extreme volume of hate letters and berating comments I've received. As I stated before, if it was just a handful, I'd ignore it.
I'm trying to run a peaceful website here. Soon as you learn how to be peaceful, we can think about putting Mr. Paul back up.