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Thursday, November 8, 2007 12:00 AM

Democrats in big, big trouble because of the Great Iraq War -- again

The Beltway media script never changes.

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Friday, November 9, 2007 12:56 PM

Pedinska...

I think we're on the same wavelength... I just don't have the T-shirts to go with it. I should do something about that.

Friday, November 9, 2007 08:56 AM

Anonymust - escalating peace

I have a Roots shirt that reads "Demand World Peace".

I have been laughed at for wearing it, but that's ok, because it tells me exactly which side of the fence the laughers are on.

If we don't work to change things, then we become complicit in our own destruction. It's just that simple.

Friday, November 9, 2007 07:12 AM

A call to escalate Peace...

Just as war begets more war, ya gots to give peace to get peace.

Pedinska: Without the word "escalate," there are some who would likely not get it.

Friday, November 9, 2007 06:33 AM

@WT

If you have shooters, go ahead and bite them too.

Close, but not quite.

Shooter, read my shirt.

http://www.bitemelivebait.com/97_polo.html

I have the blue one, and I'm wearing it today.

Friday, November 9, 2007 06:10 AM

Victory in Iraq

There was always a chance that the sheer amount of damage and chaos that our presence would inflict on Iraq, and the resulting exhaustion of a people subjected to it would lead to what appeared -- on the surface, t least -- as a drop-off in violence. That the swine in Washington would trumpet this as a successful pacification of our enemies, and the start of a new day for Iraq -- victory, in other words -- was never in doubt.

Frankly, I don't think anyone -- even the slimiest apologist for the GWB regime -- really knows whether or not this is what is actually happening, but it's certainly possible, given the figures for casualties, refugee displacement, and the horrible living conditions in what is left of the country. Even the Iraqis aren't made out of iron.

Clearly, this is what the spineless Democrats have feared all along, and equally clearly, the secrecy and propaganda of the government has been intended all along to nurture their fear. This has made some of the Republicans outside the government nervous, but they really had no place else to go.

We will see what we will see, but those who say that the moral argument against what we've done won't be as persuasive to the American people if they think we are now winning have a point. The Republicans -- the dumber ones among them, anyway -- may now be heaving a sigh of relief that their horrible gamble has paid off, but we haven't reached the end game yet. Convincing us of a victory in Iraq may prove relatively easy for the Republican politburo to pull off; convincing us that $10.00 a gallon gas or the end of our home-equity voodoo attempts to stay in the middle class are actually good for us maybe a much tougher sell.

If we look at what the markets and the financial gurus are telling us now, the issue is still in doubt, and may stay that way past next November.

If you have nails, in other words, bite 'em. If you have shooters, go ahead and bite them too.

Friday, November 9, 2007 05:19 AM

1-800-FLOWERS

No-bid contract coming to a war zone near you. Dial 1-800 FLOWERS. Thats 1-800-FLOWERS....

Friday, November 9, 2007 04:26 AM

It's getting better

Every time I hear how everything's going swimmingly in Iraq, I get the same earworm:

[The Broder tendency] Yes, I think it's getting better, it's getting better all the time

[Everyone else] Can't get no worse

Friday, November 9, 2007 03:46 AM

Upon further reflection, I shouldn't have called you folks irrelevant....

Actually, you're a liability.
Keep up the good work.

Friday, November 9, 2007 03:37 AM

Republicans and Democrats finally agree on something. People here are irresponsible. Heh.

This encapsulates the corrupt, feeble, phoniness of braying, prancing, self-worshipping anti-war liberal left. (Jeebus, that is so "not serious" language.)

Led by Rep. Dennis Kucinich, the long-shot anti-war candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, scores of Democrats were joined by scores of Republicans in initially supporting a Kucinich resolution that would have prompted a full debate on impeaching Cheney.

Democratic leaders long ago rejected any consideration of impeaching Cheney and President Bush as an irresponsible move supported only by the far left, so they tried today to table Kucinich's impeachment resolution. After initially having more than enough votes to kill the resolution - the "yea" tally to table impeachment topped out at 291 - Republicans decided they had a chance to politically shame Democrats into a full debate on the sensitive issue. Republicans gleefully said they wanted the debate to show the public how many Democrats would actually support impeaching Cheney, which they consider a move supported only by a fringe element of anti-war activists.

More than 120 members, predominantly Republicans, then switched their votes in favor of holding a one-hour debate on the issue, with a final vote of 251-162 supporting a debate on impeachment. Rather than allow a debate fraught with political risk, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) moved to send the Kucinich resolution to the Judiciary Committee, whose chairman, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), has publicly speculated about impeaching the president or vice president but has declined taking any action since taking the gavel in January.

Defusing any chance of an actual impeachment debate today, the House then voted 218-194 to send the motion to Conyers's committee, with Democrats overwhelmingly supporting the move.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/11/cheney_impeachment_resolution.html

LOL. Republicans WANTED a debate on impeaching Cheney and Dems pussed out, blaming the entire embarrassing episode on the crowd here. It's the perfect compliment to people that can't demonstrate Bush lied, hate that violence has diminished, and try to ignore overwhelming support for Iraq in 2003. House Republicans said "bring it on," and House Democrats surrendered, demonstrating yet again the irrelevance of the fringe gathered here.
Keep up the good work.

Friday, November 9, 2007 02:49 AM

Wars are Survived, Not Won

Democrats should criticise methods, not results, because the "final" and "memorable" result for dumb humans is usually one of two things: success or failure.

If the goal is expressed simply, the result will be expressed simply.

The pro-war people keep talking about "victory". It's a diversion away from the wholeness of reality. It is the illusion of "conclusion" when, in reality, effects continue on in many directions and forever.

To stop pro-war people from treating war like a football game where the goal is simplistic "victory", the anti-war people need to point out that wars are survived, not won.

And 4,000 Americans have not survived. Tens of thousands of Iraqis have not survived. Many more have been injured. Many are now refugees.

The evil of war is validated with simplistic "victory" talk.

Ultimately, the method is more important than the goal.

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