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Friday, November 2, 2007 12:00 AM

Mukasey's nomination and the sudden opposition to "waterboarding"

The same Congress that allowed and enabled Bush's excesses for years now claims to find Mukasey's support for those abuses intolerable.

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 02:52 PM

Rice on Pakistan

"The United States does not support extraconstitutional measures."

Saturday, November 3, 2007 02:54 PM

You realize shooter242 won't understand word one, Jordan.

You'd have an easier time teaching an earwig quantum physics.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 02:57 PM

Miss_Kitty. You have two 't' and a tender touch

My that was good 'angry' and tender-timely?

Timely thunderbolt? GOPS are shoe lecherous?

Let's kick a bad dogs and pet a kitty. purr.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 03:09 PM

Iokannan Quote

You realize shooter242 won't understand word one, Jordan.

You'd have an easier time teaching an earwig quantum physics.

-- Iokannan in the Well

Precisely.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 03:09 PM

Suggestion to bebop-o

I like that you are breaking the mold of responses, but I suggest you spend more time with your entries and post fewer of them. While a few are pretty good, too many are hasty and crappy.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 03:20 PM

If you don't get um or like um

Jes pass em by.

Just keep on doin on Bebop.

I'm fine wit em.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 03:44 PM

Oh- No! RMP and Kitt! O, Miss_kitty?

Anonymous- thanks. I'm working on a departure.

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Fairest flower of the season- a fair one are you?

O, I am trembling because cometh winter, O, no!

Are carnations, and streaked gillyvors- all Pink?

Stew or boil a little pinko toe? That's yum stock?

O, I may stop when the barren garden is all dead?

A gentler scion to the wildest stock, O, a regret?

For I have heard, a bark, a baser kind, is dead?

By bud of nobler race of humankind, kitty_is art.

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Which does mend Nature, and so it is, anonymous!

O, make the garden rich in gillyvors- no bastards.

Call me stopped. No read the dibble- a seed. a tool.

Desire a better breed of human than the tortured gop!

Here's flowers for you: hot lavender, mints, and savory.

Toss in some marjoram or marigold, and pass me. no read.

Ignore it all- Anonymous. Seriously, just scroll and ignore.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 03:47 PM

A Brief History of Due Process and Human Rights

British Charter of Liberties - 1100 AD

If any of my barons or men commit a crime, he shall not bind himself to a payment at the king's mercy as he has been doing in the time of my father or my brother; but he shall make amends according to the extent of the crime as he would have done before the time of my father in the time of my other predecessors. But if he be convicted of treachery or heinous crime, he shall make amends as is just.

Magna Carta - 1297 revision

No Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.

US Constitution - as ammended in 1791

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen - 1789

As all persons are held innocent until they shall have been declared guilty, if arrest shall be deemed indispensable, all harshness not essential to the securing of the prisoner's person shall be severely repressed by law.

Charter of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg - 1945

ARTICLE 6

The following acts, or any of them, are crimes coming within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal for which there shall be individual responsibility:

(a) Crimes against Peace: namely, planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a Common Plan or Conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing;

(b) War Crimes: namely, violations of the laws or customs of war. Such violations shall include, but not be limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity;

(c) Crimes against Humanity: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war,14 or persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of domestic law of the country where perpetrated.

Leaders, organizers, instigators, and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution

of a Common Plan or Conspiracy to commit any of the foregoing crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any persons in execution of such plan.

ARTICLE 8

The fact that the defendant acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior shall not free him from responsibility, but may be considered in mitigation of punishment if the Tribunal determine that justice so requires.

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Apparently, they don’t cover this in Ivy League law schools (Michael Mukasey – LL.B. Yale Law – 1967; Chuck Schumer – J.D. Harvard Law - 1974), so perhaps this bit of historical perspective might help.

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