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Friday, November 2, 2007 12:00 AM

Mukasey's nomination and the sudden opposition to "waterboarding"

The same Congress that allowed and enabled Bush's excesses for years now claims to find Mukasey's support for those abuses intolerable.

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 06:47 AM

sickness

david sugarman's thing has nothing to do with Judaism or Israel. The illness would present in him without regard to belief, heritage, or lack thereof.

It happens.

Sympathetically,
Gordon Ginsberg

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:11 AM

re: Update

A Texas phrase comes to mind, unbidden--"We can't win, for losing". It's used to characterize a long string of losses, snafus, fubars, in which the only consistent thing is that you lose and keep losing and don't see how you'll ever win again.

This is yet another painful and harmful loss for the country. In contrast, I don't believe that the Senate--collectively or as individuals--views this as a loss. It's just business. Sometimes a vote goes one way, sometimes another, but there is little pain, little anguish, and no meaningful consequence. Why is there no consequence? Because there is only one consequence for the Democrats. It is called November '08. Mukasey's approval is Nov. '08-nuetral. Mukasey's rejection, on the other hand, is risky and might come into play. In short, the Democrats are "overly politicized".

Just another example of how the senate is disembedded [http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=192915] from the country. The concept of "disembedded capital" is overly rigid and imperfect, but I think it has some utility when viewing washington these days.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:11 AM

Waterboarding is not the issue!

Of course America tortures! Every country in the world tortutes someone in prison. If you disagree I would suggtest that you visit any maximum secutiry prison in this nation - torture in many forms is rampant - waterboarding is not the worse one! Yes, I know since I am a former prison official.

When will the democrats learn how to frame their opposition? Drawing the line in the sand over waterboarding is a weak excuse for not approving this guy.

The democrats and honest republicans should be opposed to Bush's nominee for attorney general because he is just another Bush flunky! Of course he would be a lousy attorney general - since when did this administration ever appoint a competent person to a key position. The name of the game is LOYALTY!

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:16 AM

Gordon. Thanks.

When Daises Pied. Love's Labors Lost V.ii I know it is not Spring. Written to save space?

The Song.

When daises pied and violets blue- And lady smocks all silver white- And cuckoo-buds of yellow-hue- Do paint the meadows with delight, The cuckoo then, on every tree, Mocks married men; for thus sings he,

Cuckoo!

Cuckoo, cuckoo! O word of fear- unpleasing to a married ear!

(because of its resemblance to "cuckold")- When shepherds pipe om oaten straws, And merry larks are plowman's clocks. When turtles tread (turtledoves mate), and rooks and daws, and maidens bleach their summer smocks,

The cuckoo then, on every tree, Mocks married men; for thus sings he,

Cuckoo, cuckoo! O, word of fear, Unpleasing to a married ear!

Cuckoo, cuckoo!

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:21 AM

More fun while fighting back

In It Can't Happen Here, by Sinclair Lewis, the fascists ascend to power through use of a campaign song set to the tune of Yankee Doodle. I think it's time to fight back against the fascists who have taken over our country with just the same tactic. I invite Arne, Kitt or anyone else here with musical ability to grab your voice, your instrument and your video camera to get this on YouTube as soon as possible.

Georgie Pordgie took our rights
And locked them in a drawer.
He told us lies about Saddam
And marched us off to wa-ar.

Georgie Pordgie give it up,
Georgie Pordgie and Cheney,
You're on your way to Camp Gitmo
To be another detainee.

Georgie Pordgie spied on us
And did not get a warrant.
Now he says no one should pay
And that is just abhorrent.

Georgie Pordgie give it up,
Georgie Pordgie and Cheney,
You're on your way to Camp Gitmo
To be another detainee.

Georgie Pordgie says it's okay
To use a waterbo-oard.
He won't pay until the day
He goes to meet his Lo-ord.

Georgie Pordgie give it up,
Georgie Pordgie and Cheney,
You're on your way to Camp Gitmo
To be another detainee.

Have fun. Anyone want to propose another verse?

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:26 AM

As You Like it. ~ ~ Under the Greenwood Tree

Who doth ambition shun And loves to live i' the sun,

Seeking the food s/he eats, And pleased with what he gets,

Come hither, come hither, come hither, Here shall he see no enemy.

But winter and rough weather.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:29 AM

YOU BE THE BAD GUY THIS TIME,....NO YOU,....NO YOU...

This is nothing more than what these deplorable cowards and traitors have done all along to save face, while reverting to cowardice. They pick enough Democrats at random, (coin toss?), to vote with the Neocons, while the rest of the Democrats make a high profile dinner theater out of how outraged they are at whatever unconstitutional, illegal, heinous crimes the neocons have up for vote. No one is fooled by this bit of bad acting at this late date, we've all seen it before, many times, and only the removal of ALL Incumbents from BOTH Parties will have a chance of saving our Nation.

Traitors, Criminals, Sleezebags, and Perverts have siezed control of our Nation, and the citizenry is at a loss of what to do about it. Our checks and balances have broken, and only serve to decorate a dusty history text as to who we once were, and what we once could expect from our representatives.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:35 AM

Jim White

Blow blow, blow blow, the winter wind, Dick Chaney's are so unkind,

Although his breath be foul, and all care or friendship is just feigning,

That life is folly.

That bunch has no jolly.

Heigh-ho, sing heigh-ho,

It's off to hell ya's Joe's.

And earlier- Who reminds us all,

The mountain Laurel bush is poison,

So- Howdy lovely legal mind Ms. Holly.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:46 AM

Camp Xray

Jim White — no new verses, but it seems to me that the refrain would scan better with "Camp Xray" rather than "Camp Gitmo" (and it has the advantage of being factually correct if perhaps less well known). Otherwise, it's ready to go.

Saturday, November 3, 2007 07:59 AM

As usual, shooter242 has it backwards:

I still can't understand why innocent people should be allowed to sacrificed to protect YOUR point of view.

A question you should ask yourself, shooter242. How many innocent men, women and children are you prepared to violated, maimed and destroyed simply for your personal sense of security?

Don't bother answering. There's no way you can redeem yourself anymore.

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