I feel very old when I read polemics of despair from men who see the present Congress clearly for the dissolute cowards that they are. Especially since some of the upset folks are (I know) older than I am.

Remember the brief surge of hope you may have felt when the Democratic frontrunners responded to the moneysurge Dodd received when he stood up for the rule of law.

Politicians require constant, strong feedback from the populace, usually in the form of money. They flag if they don't receive it. Even if they get it, they won't do much. You won't hear an "I have a dream" speech on the floor of the Senate. We win by inches, hard won increments of power.

Moving the federal government in the direction you want it to go is like winning a long, drawn-out lawsuit against a well-funded opponent. It takes too much time, the settlement is inadequate and hedged with terms. By the time you've fucked them, you don't feel as though you have. But they do. They know when you've won.

You can run off to Google and find ephemera to back up your "point" all you want; it doesn't matter.

Torture is illegal in the United States. Either you stand for something or you don't; either you're a patriotic American or you aren't.

I don't know how much more clearly it can be put. The Federalists did everything they could to prevent the system from being destroyed by the likes of you.

Democratic condidates are just assuming they'll be swept into office as a reaction to the current terrible Republican administration.

...but who wants to vote for a VICTIM?!?!?

Torture is illegal in the United States. Either you stand for something or you don't; either you're a patriotic American or you aren't.
I don't know how much more clearly it can be put. The Federalists did everything they could to prevent the system from being destroyed by the likes of you. -- Jordan Orlando

Ah yes, spoken with the careless abandon, of someone with no responsibility for the consequences of his ideas. What patriotism has to do with any of this, I don't know. The system however will survive both of us. Your naivete, I'm not so sure about.

At last your cards are on the table. The Rule of Law is "naive"; the Constitution is "naive."

When Bush took an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution," he didn't really mean it; is that what you're saying? And that's fine with you? Go ahead and type it in black and white so we all can read it.

What "patriotism" has to do with it should be obvious to you. If it's not, I can't help you.

You know, you movement conservatives really are repellent, evil people. The "rules" are for everybody else; not you. Secretly gay senators passing anti-gay legislation; "law and order" advocates guilty of tax evasion and bribery; elected officials breaking laws left and right. No wonder the world has contempt for us with your gang in charge.

At least you're finally being honest about your exceptionalist worldview: you believe that your country and your leaders are above the law.

The saddest thing about this whole deal is that by and large, the American people don't give a fuck.

Is one man's comfort or even sanity more important than trying to preserve other lives?....

Ahhhh. The "24" argument; the TTB. I've addressed this a long time ago:

http://tinyurl.com/2e84pk

For Sh**ter here, the answer is easy: Yes, the comfort or even the sanity -- nay, even the life -- of one man is of course not more important than trying to preserve others lives ... as long as the person losing his comfort, his sanity, or even his life is NOT "Mr. Sh*t-My-Pants-24-Times" himself.

Sh**ter would never toss himself on a grenade to save others (he sure as hell ain't in his favourite freedom-fighting site, Iraq). In fact, he'd belittle and slime someone who did put themselves at risk trying to protect others, and who lost three limbs doing so ... if that person is a Democrat. Don't ask Sh**ter about the moral calculus of lives; the only one he he cares about is his own sorry one, and ... to put it bluntly ... rational people would consider that if far less value than he does.

The answer (in the link above), as even Bill Clinton just pointed out, is that if you think you need to save others through what would normally be a very poor decision (or even an illegal one), do it and take your lumps. Sacrifice yourself for the cause if you think you need to; take the heat (and the imprisonment) for the illegal interrogation ... because the only life you are morally entitled to give up in sacrifice to the "greater good" is your own.

Sh**ter. doesn't know that. But he will have a hard time learning it as well, cowering in the dark under his bed.

Cheers,

The dems who will vote to confirm this republican weasel are nothing more than rapist of the Constitution! I and 14 others who previously walked and called in support of dems will never vote for another, in fact we are going to vote straight ticket repugnet party. At least they are honest about screwing our country. What a bunch of worthless scum!

sugarcane.

yer bright and wondrous sheeny (beautiful) disguise can't compare. What you say? Well weenie, yer fragile wit, and if someone finder you in NYC in a strange disguise, Transfig'd sawed; it you in garments that so did daze their eyes: O, they a 1-Samuel 10:3-7 in black vestments?

If you got black shined fur Hassock (I am no mocking any ones beliefs) and cute curly pig-ears for ear-rings, or your moms maid sweeps bones of pork-chop hidden under your bed, okay-no-judge-YOU. Nobody. Your right. Be true.

As Arne says: sh**ter gets to permitted to bestow a showier-display, and he daily doth spout-forth pig-odours. He not so sweet. Let his paymaster continue to toss money into a sewer. Doth the opinion of mine matter? sugar-daddy? Or, that I say it may be true your pals-mentality doth always keep-up the hurled-forth crap from arch-evils beelzebub's bitter-tweet, and none, and doeth no-good, if it's a fact, a inspiration comes from a rat, matter on this earth?

The moaning he do-pre-death ain't @ a Moon disc, either. People are dark, and prowl in the night seeking to rob and devour. O, deviled, sore agonized, and only Terror awaits those who are sold to Devil's schemes. A shouter242's Enterprise, in my sincere opinion=EVIL. Yep. It's pure and simple, and I name it evil-inspired.

O, folk can get a prize, and a black hog lets warped and twisted souls suck, snuggle, and durst feed for awhile a black soul via red-pig lips. Disguised as a noble human, as it has been written again and again. O, beeswax clogs the ear drums, sometimes, I agree.

You correct mr superber boy advocate for dear shooter242. He now will kiss you on those sugarless shooterlips. The rest of us observer can prounounce you two-One. You win. Go to gehenna's dump somewhere neat the New Jersey turnpike and the Verizon bridge. Thanks, and now we all can think here and aim to be Wise, and watch you loverboys smooch. O, fools too, and none are discriminated against. Glenn is courteous, and you must agree. What hospitality. You can oink all ya's want here. It as plain as the devil, they sez. Wallow. Muck. Oink. You.