Letters posted here are associated with the following article:

208
Letters
Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:00 AM

Anonymous Liberal for Glenn Greenwald: Giuliani on torture

The letters thread is now closed.

View:
Thursday, October 25, 2007 05:45 PM

Arne Langsetmo..

Liberals love to wring their hands and have giant puppet protests in the streets for dirty people in romantic sounding far away lands they intend to vacation in some day, while their own fellow citizens right here rot in squalor and crime and are incarcerated because lord knows, dem brown people sure do be scarey whens theys aks for a quarter.

Your pity comment notwithstanding, Tildeman is essentially correct.

There are only two federal level politicians in favor of ending the War On (some) Drugs and Mona has named both of them. It is quite telling that neither has a snowflake's chance in hell of winning the presidency.

So, where are all the "liberal" lawmakers who are in favor of maximum freedom for the maximum number of people?

Actions speak louder than words.

Thursday, October 25, 2007 05:48 PM

@Aycharaych

Your whole post was based on the premise that the War On (some) Drugs is right and proper. It's not your fault, we have grown up in that climate and know nothing different.

No, it was not. If I have a religion, it is ending the drug "war." (Did you read the link to my post about prison and the drug war at Glenn's old blog site?) And I'll bet I know more about that abomination than you do, and have been in the trenches fighting against it most of my adult life; I'm 51. But if we are going to continue to imprison non-violent drug offenders, a minimal improvement would be to not incarcerate them with depraved and violent offenders.

Thursday, October 25, 2007 05:48 PM

Mona: regarding the "Reagan Era"

For Californians like me, the "Reagan Era" began at a minute past midnight January 2, 1967, when Ronald Reagan was ingurated as Governor at a time selected by Nancy's astrologer (according to wags). And he most certainly did "close the mental hospitals" in California beginning almost as soon as he got into the Corner Office. His reputation is for closing the mental hospitals is derived from his actions as Governor, not so much as President.

But Reagan's haigiography largely ignores his Gubernatorial interlude. It isn't exactly forgotten, it is just overlooked.

Thursday, October 25, 2007 05:51 PM

Aycharaych

Welcome back, jonathan/Jonathan Hogue!

Thursday, October 25, 2007 05:53 PM

Mona..

Sorry, it was your comment about "drug mule" that sent me off on that tangent.

I'm older than you and have been fighting this battle for a long time also..

You can find posts of mine on the usenet political newsgroups about this subject from twenty years ago.

Thursday, October 25, 2007 05:56 PM

Anonymous..

Is my style *really* that easy to spot?

Or is it that my obsession is easy to spot?

Maybe I should start copying david sugarman.. ;-)

Thursday, October 25, 2007 05:58 PM

@Arne

I'm not going to get into specifics, but you could not come from my family without having intimate knowledge of snake pits like Creedmoor, psychiatric barbarism, as well as the shortcomings of more contemporary insurance policies and the community mental health system. You also would know that these issues preceded the Reagan presidency.

Thursday, October 25, 2007 06:00 PM

A serious question..

What is the primary defining characteristic of a police state?

I know what I think, I would like to know what you think..

Thursday, October 25, 2007 06:04 PM

Prohibition Party

L.W.M

The question I asked was this: Can anyone here point to any federal level politicians of *either* party who are in favor of ending the War On (some) Drugs?

Your link did not speak to that question.

There are two such politicians in the US and I can name both of them.

Actually, it does. But you have to read it. Key to understanding it is some concept of the narrow area of acceptable political positions in American politics and why that occurs and some understanding of the Overton Window and how far to the right it has shifted. With the exception of 4 or 5 federal level politicians, 99% in the Democratic party are moderate conservatives. That means the GOP is populated by conservatives who are not moderate or centrist, to say the least. Then there is Ron Paul. Ron Paul is so conservative he is an anomaly but if you are claiming you don't understand the difference between Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul, I'd have to say you were being intentionally obtuse and disingenous. Ron Paul's ideas on ending the drug war wouldn't be pretty. He's not likely to approach it sensibly like the Dutch. He's anti-state and an Austrian economist. Kucinich or Sanders would.

Don't join the Prohibition Party. They are alive and well and the oldest third party still in continuous existence.

http://www.prohibition.org/

Thursday, October 25, 2007 06:06 PM

@ Aycharaych

Your pity comment notwithstanding, Tildeman is essentially correct.

There are only two federal level politicians in favor of ending the War On (some) Drugs and Mona has named both of them.

Assuming arguendo this is true, SFW? Your tirade (which provoked my response) was against "lib'ruls". Not "federal level politicians". And you ignore the other stuff I said.

Now I agree with you on our draconian drug laws. As does Mona (as by proxy then, does Glenn). And probably many around here. Don't be an a$$ and get eveyone here ticked off because we're not discussing your crisis du jour today. There's plenty enough to go around, and if we can all manage to stick together about all the things that should concern us, and work on them, maybe we'll get somewhere with them, eh?

FYI, I'd note that pretty much every major blogger, from Atrios to Glenn and on, has to deal with complaints from people that they aren't paying enough attention to that person's particular interest. That's just the way it is, and the response from the bloggers is pretty much the same as well. If you feel very strongly about something, the Internet is a wonderful place for you to start your own blog, and you can slant it or hone it any way you like. And if you have something worthwhile listening to, you will be appreciated by those that do. Win-win all around.

Cheers,

Thursday, October 25, 2007 06:09 PM

Achy

I always enjoyed your posts and I share your passion about the US' unconscionable incarceration rates. I'm really glad you're back.

'Yes' to the first two: recognizable style and content.

'No' to the third. ;-)

Thursday, October 25, 2007 06:09 PM

Acronyms

[anonymous]: Aycharaych

Welcome back, jonathan/Jonathan Hogue!

I was thinking it stood for "His Royal Highness". ;-)

Disclaimer: I'm far from a tee-totaler (but it's barely evening out here).

Cheers,

Most Active Letters Threads

740

The commendably missing element from Obama's speech

There was no pretense that human rights is our goal, or the likely outcome, in escalating the war
380

America's regression

It's almost impossible to find a nation with as many torture advocates as the U.S. has.
378

Do Obama officials know what his Afghanistan plan is?

What explains the completely contradictory statements from key aides on a central plank of the war strategy?
303

Palin: Birthers have "fair question" about Obama

Of Obama birth, the ex-governor says, "the public is still, rightfully, making it an issue" (Updated)
211

The poster boy for progressive self-delusion

Read Hayden's 2008 Obama endorsement to remember the way the left sold our centrist president to itself

View all »

Letters Help

Currently in Salon