Pam's deflection was not surprising it was obvious she could not handle my critical insights on her margainal commentary. I truly expected more out of a Black gay female( she and Glenn felt compelled to disclose this information after she penned the commentary) so much for outing herself and being bias free with regard to this subject matter

Gordon: And your point is??

Retired Military Vet: Please tell the whole tale, I rejected your posts because they had the ordor of racism... I would suggest you get into another reform the redneck rehab program or have a minister perform an last rites on you because you still post like a good ole redneck...

Over at my blog.

Pam:

Now that Obama has invited an openly gay minister, will you be doing a follow-up column? I certainly hope so.

n/t

The ministers' hateful language comes from Judaism. That is where right wing Christianity come from.

It is not a phobia. It is hate, bigotry, and violence toward gay people.

I'm still sorry that Karen M and Mona got chased out.

You have a giant burr under your saddle about this post; you clearly would prefer that this subject go away, but alas it won't. What it does show is that discussion of race is a third rail topic; it gets emotional, defensive and irrational quite quickly, and all parties end up shutting down. Your approach to dialogue on this matter is part of the problem, not the solution.-- Pam Spaulding

As we say in showbiz, that put's the button on it.

Concerning thrasher, it nicely serves as the last word.

Respectfully,
Gordon Ginsberg

I was waiting for Thrasher to say goodnite. Now we'll see if he meant it. I met Thrasher on a non Glenn thread shortly after I found Salon. When he found out I was white and admitted that I was a recovering racist from the culture I was raised in, he was no longer interested in any meaningful communication.

I think you found out that trying to reason with him is as fruitful as trying to reason with sugarman and the others I don't need to name who are not worth our time.

I suspect that those who tried tonight would likely agree with me. Of course, what others choose to do about Thrasher is your business not mine.

Neverthless because this is a chat forum where macro discussions and dialouge is the norm my position remains the same WHITE LIBERALS remain as racist and lethal as WHITE CONSERVATIVES.

RACE trumps political parties always have and always will. I will give you this short tale of white liberal racism to take to bed tonite.

I was a young student once in a catholic school full of white liberal nuns and priests constantly lecturing us with propaganda and paltitudes about equality and jesus christ. One day during a student assembly I made a request that since the school was majority Black can we replace the white jesus pictures and symbols in the school with Black Jesus Christ symbols, etc..

I still remember the facial expressions and the patronizing comments and the phony white liberal retorts ... I experienced my first lesson about white liberals up close and personal. BTW my best friends at the same time were Black and jewish they also experienced White jewish racism up close and personal as I have stated many times in this country on this soil RACE TRUMPS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!

Goodnite...

Again if you need a long winded treatise on the reality and presence of white racism go talk to your parents and others who look and think like you do.

I did spare you any long winded statement whatsoever. I asked you a yes/no question. Go ahead, answer it. Am I a racist? Do you hate me?

and offer something of value and do not misquote me. I have never posted that I hate Pam because she is a Black gay female.

I do however take the position that she has been used as a mouthpeice and compromised by Glenn becuase she is a Black gay female attacking a Obama a non-white candidate.

Again as I post earlier I expect and look forward to this same commentary against the other democratic presidential candidates from Pam...

On the day that Obama joins Dodd in opposing the repulsive FISA bill, there are many comments about a questionable decision that someone, certainly not Obama, made about some rally. The decision might have been questionable, but there are many sins in the background of many persons. Hey, look hard enough into my background, and there are one or two things that I wouldn't want coming out.

This is a full-blown witch hunt. It's purity trolls run amok. Rather than concern about his policy positions, or lack of experience, there is this amazing bullshit going on.

And, yes, I'll just say it straight out: I think there is a little racism going on here. I bet some Edwards supporter has this problem. He has black churchmen who support him, and many of them are not great fans of homosexuals.

Finally, if it comes down to it, I'll go with the black churchmen over the gay activists. Gay activists cost us 2004. How? By parading out to SF to get "married" by Gavin Newsome, in those illegal ceremonies. You could HEAR the sound of anti-gay marriage petitions being printed as people watched those stupid ceremonies. That led to the gay marriage initiative in Ohio, and that brought OH into the Bush column. Not only are religious blacks unfond on homosexuals, so are many hispanics. This kind of gay overreaction, and racist at that, repels many blacks and hispanics.

So, I think that we should all get along, eh? And, if we want a witch hunt, we should witch hunt republicans.

Again IMHO your work here was misdirected and not worthy of this attention. Your defense of your efforts is expected but does not change the facts your commentary is a pedestrian hit piece a gay litmus loyalty test penned by a Black gay female.

I see. It would be a nuanced issue to hate Pam because she is a lesbian; this is not a straightforward matter. But it would be ironclad wrong to hate her for the melanin in her skin. Got it.