I thing our "first time troll" was attempting humor. For myself, I think if were looking for scapegoats for the gravitational collapse of the universe, we haven't spent near enough energy insulting obese people!

About half of all children in that large city have personally seen violence/rape/death and are probably suffering from PTSD. There is only one psychologist who was not trained in treating violence victims to try and help all these suffering children.

-- Retired Military Patriot

Looks like we broke a whole lot of hearts and minds.

Some of these kids may grow up (if they grow up) to be mal-adjusted, and, lo, even violent. I hope they don't begrudge us.

The fact that Foxman ranmbles on in his response to Glenn but fails to explain why the ADL won't condemn right wingers depiction of liberals as Nazis speaks volumes. It's hard to desribe Foxman as anything but a Likud loyalist who took upon himself to advance an israeli right wing ideology that repersents only a minority of the Israeli public. Since the right wing in the US is consideed an ally of the Likud, Foxman has made sure that the ADL never condemns anything the right wing here says. Foxman has betrayed the ADL and its 90 year old tradition by aligning it with a right wing Israeli political block and ideology which is a betrayal of his organization's charter and mission. For example;questions about hate crimes by Israeli settlers aganist palestinians at ADL events are discouraged and muted by the organizers. When questioned about a successor in a California meeting, Foxman became quite angry and agitated, refusing to give a clear answer. He behaves like a tyrant and has turned his organization into an ally of the radical right in both Israel and the US.

That is the scariest thing I have seen since I started blogging. We need that published on every front page and shown in every broadcast along with an example picture from each of the wars/skirmishes/operations/invasions/etc. Maybe you could research next how many different words have been used to describe war. I bet that would be a long list too.

Those of us who believe in the right of self-determination for all peoples find our belief hard to reconcile with the tens of thousands of cluster bomblets scattered over South Lebanon, or the death of a thirty-year worker for peace and reconciliation blown up in a Tel-Aviv cafeteria by a Palestinian nationalist who killed her, and himself, along with a number of others, when he was barely 20. (Yes, I mean a specific person. I didn't know her, but I knew of her through a colleague of her husband's.)

These events can never be erased, but the conflict which created them can be resolved. The course which our two governments, U.S. and Israeli, have been pursuing in recent decades, and the rabid defense of those policies by paranoids of differing cultural backgrounds, from Rabbi Foxman to Rush Limbaugh, will never lead to this resolution.

We cannot control what the Iranians do, or the Syrians, etc., since we long ago slammed the door between us in their faces, but we can control what we ourselves do. That's the real project here. Those who deny that anti-semitic bigotry exists on both the left and right, and in the center too, or argue that anyone who disagrees with Bibi Netanyahu or Avigdor Lieberman is an enemy of Israel, and a defamer of Jews, are in no position to help anyone.

Neither are military strategists, whether they employ f-15s or jihadist martyrs. This must be made abundantly clear to everyone, or none of the rest will matter.

If someone is allowing the worst possible pejoratives to be used to describe people who want to stop a bully from beating up on his enemies -- and who is promising soon to beat up on other of his enemies as well -- how does that qualify as strange?

DrEyeBall:

What is their obligation to answer?

No obligation; but those of us who believed until mere days ago that they actually stood for principles we value and admire, are going to be really disappointed and disillusioned.

I know, I know. Won't be the first time.

Bebop, I wonder if I was the only one having Maus flashbacks as you defended yours:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus

(I love you, too! The Arts are alive and well today.)

That what happens here;

...As a Holocaust survivor, saved in my childhood by a courageous Polish Catholic woman who hid me from the Nazis, and as one ..."

Which is not, of course, to address the argument but to belittle/impugn

the one with whom there is supposed to be discourse;

a plaintiff here, and one who brings to the discussion a question...

the defense does not like.

[Michael Gordon NYT is famous for it. If you haven't been to Iraq your opinion doesn't count...because he has - however little he may have ventured from the Fort.]

"One mistake does not an anti-Semite make." Those were Foxman's words directed at one Fred Malek. Malek was a Nixon White House staffer, who on orders from his boss counted the number of Jews at the Bureau of Labor statistics. Two of those Jews were demoted.

Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi apologized for Mussolinni, killer of Italian Jews. The ADL went ahead with plans to honor Berlusconi, whose support for attacking Iraq absolved him of sin. No matter that Italian Jews were livid. Screw them. They didn't support the American/Israeli empire.

Let's get real. Foxman and many other Jews no longer care about support for Nazis or O'Reilly smearing liberals about Nazis. They only care about Israel. The term anti-Semitism is only used against critics of Israeli foreign policy.

Kudos to Greenwald for this story, but he needs to cut to the chase. Foxman only cares about Israel getting its way and that view point is now the one that holds sway politically. Dissenters get the bumb's rush. Just ask Walt, Mearsheimer, Carter, Tutu or Finkelstein.