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Monday, October 8, 2007 12:00 AM

The ADL purports to respond again

Abraham Foxman sends a letter which, once again, raises more questions than it answers.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 09:35 AM

@ Pagano

Yes that's what he said -- "wiped off the map" -- reflected in the speech transcript on his own web site

http://tinyurl.com/k7ztn

You can read that, can you? Then I'm sure you can translate this for me:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

Tuesday, October 9, 2007 09:52 AM

The Foxman Reply

I was surprised that Abe Foxman's letter was so generic. It's a poor rhetorical strategy, though one that in the shocking collapse of the national thinking process unarguably works extremely well on behalf of corrupt agendas (Iraq war, and, all the signs suggest, a war with Iran, as just two of scores of examples). He uses it here with the wrong audience--not only Glenn Greenwald, but GG's readers. I would join in asking that Mr. Foxman get detailed, along the lines Mr. Greenwald asks him to. Just answer Mr. Greenwald's questions, and provide the information he requests: if Mr. Foxman really has the material to put Mr. Greenwald's scepticism to rest, this would be a much more effective strategy.

I also think that for this audience, unlike an audience that has suspended its thinking processes because the nation is at war (when, if it really were legitimately at war, the nation might actually have more, not less, need of the thinking process), it is a rhetorical giveaway to resort to the appeal to one's own experience in the Holocaust. Not only is this not the point at issue, a red herring, but it's an insult to its audience because it dares that audience to maintain its scepticism in the face of this raw emotional appeal to the Holocaust; it says, in effect, "I suspect you are anti-Semitic, and I will flush you out by an appeal to the Holocaust, and you will either be cowed into silence or you will speak back and show your colors as a Holocaust-diminisher or an outright anti-Semite." Both options--either showing you're a coward or showing you're an anti-Semite--insult not only Glenn Greenwald, but the overwhelming majority of the kind of people that in my observation read Glenn Greenwald. I'm afraid Mr. Foxman is speaking to the wrong crowd.

I flat-out admire Mr. Greenwald's unrelenting efforts to break open the chokehold on the thinking process that the Bush administration and all its allies (however temporary or purely expedient, however New York Timesy or Chris Matthewsy or Jim Lehrery or NPRy they may be) has successfully slipped over on what used to be the American Republic.

Francis Ingledew

Tuesday, October 9, 2007 09:52 AM

@Kovie

The Globe and Mail in Toronto reported this morning(Tuesday) that Ehud Olmert is looking at the possibility of granting rights to certain arab poplutated areas of Jerusalem to the Palestinians, and even making special arrangements for the walled city or holy basin with less than full Israeli sovereignty over it. All this is a trial baloon to see if a peace deal is possible rather than another descent of the region into endless, mindless bloodshed.

Olmert must be an anti semite since he seems to be departing from the Likud hard line!

I'm being sarcastic, of course.

Your post was very insightful. I have noticed an increasing unwillingness among Jewish people to countenance any critical evaluation of Israeli policies by non Jews. That is truly unfortunate.

Keep up the good work.

Tuesday, October 9, 2007 09:58 AM

Questions for Glenn (or anyone) re Iran

Is it possible to express concern about the potential danger of Iranian nuclear weapons without necessarily advocating a U.S. military attack on Iran? Or is anyone who expresses such concern to be automatically deemed a warmonger?

The United Nations has expressed significant concern about the potential danger of Iranian nuclear weapons, to the point of sanctioning Iran in connection with its nuclear program. Is the UN working toward a U.S. military attack on Iran? Is the UN acting on behalf of Israel?

To the extent that a U.S. military attack on Iran is being contemplated by the powers that be, does anyone believe that the likelihood of such an attack will be even slightly reduced if Abe Foxman criticizes Bill O'Reilly for misusing the term "gestapo"? If so, how?

Tuesday, October 9, 2007 10:29 AM

The Toxic Dynamic

There is an unfortunate, toxic dynamic, much discussed these days, that tends to pervade discussions involving or touching on Israel. I truly sympathize with the many sincere critics of Israel and/or US policy regarding Israel who have had dialogues that went, in their minds, something like this:

Sincere Critic: Israel has treated the Palestinian people unjustly, and America's unqualified support of Israel has helped to perpetuate that injustice while failing to advance the cause of peace in the region.

Jewish (or gentile) neocon: ANTI-SEMIIIIIIIIIIITE!!!!! WHY DO YOU HATE JEWS!!!??!

On the other hand, I, as a sometime (hopefully not reflexive) defender of Israel, have had discussions that I perceived more or less this way:

Israel-Basher: The Zio-fascist thought police will no doubt accuse me of anti-Semitism just for saying this, but Israelis use the blood of Palestinian children to make sickeningly sweet kosher wine.

Me: No they don't. That's crazy.

Israel-Basher: NEOCON TROLL!! HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF ANTI-SEMITISM!!! I SAID ISRAELIS, NOT JEWS!! THIS IS SO TYPICAL OF HOW ANYONE WHO DARES CRITICIZE ISRAEL IS VICIOUSLY ATTACKED...

It is a problem, on both sides, on all sides. I don't know how to fix it. Wish I did.

Tuesday, October 9, 2007 10:40 AM

Like the ADL, motormouths Al Sharpton and Revo Jackson are AWOL on O'Reilly racist smear

Mr. Greenwald, the ADL's not the only group guilty of running out of words and demonstrations when the perp. of the said smear is their human or corporate salvation army.

With the exeption of a tepid uninspired "discussions" on the deranged O'Reilly's factor for non-thinking robots, the good Revos' gone blind, deaf and dumb on us! No speeches, no demonstrations, no (feigned) outrages......It's complete and total silence on the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jacksons Front!

If I force myself to, I might with extreme difficulty understand Al Sharpton's golden silence. After all, we know now that the Deranged king's pays his lunch! Don Imus should have paid Sharpton's lunches. If he had, he would have still had his radio show, and still throwing those racist comments with careless abandon, as O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Michael Savage, Glen Beck, without a pip from either Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson! And these idiots wants us to take them serious!

Jesse Jackson! Well, considering what the Father of all Lies and Smears have said about him over the years, his silence is even more mysterious! If these two could not condemn certified racist comments made on the public airwaves, what use are they to us Blacks, who are subject to such comments every waking day!

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