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Monday, October 8, 2007 12:00 AM

The ADL purports to respond again

Abraham Foxman sends a letter which, once again, raises more questions than it answers.

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Monday, October 8, 2007 03:47 PM

"Anti-semitism is nothing but a whip"

Bullshit.

WTF is it with all these trolls saying either "there is no anti-semitism" and "everybody's an anti-semite?" Seems to me, if you have an IQ higher than that of warm yogurt, you have to work pretty hard at maintaining either delusion.

These people must live on Clif bars and Red Bull.

Monday, October 8, 2007 03:43 PM

Neoconservatives

And their friends, radical militant Zionists, are characterized as much or more by blatant hypocrisy as by their imperviousness to reality and outright lying, the traits with which they're more usually associated.

Nobody seems to have noticed that many Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrians are also Semites, which makes Zionists rather vastly more anti-Semitic than anybody they could smear. Zionists don't want you to notice this hypocrisy either.

We're still waiting for justice to be served on behalf of the victims of the USS Liberty, by the way. Zionist terrorist attacks that aim to exterminate Americans appear to be quite acceptable, as are ethnic cleansing, assassinations and mass murder of civilians and POWs, and just about every other war crime on the books.

This article merely scratches the surface of entire national policies built on nothing but hypocrises.

Monday, October 8, 2007 03:40 PM

Is "dubious" the right term?

Foxman, backed by quotes from such dubious authorities as Dennis Ross, an ex-U.S. ambassador and a vigorous defender of official Israeli views, seeks to attribute something sinister to their motives.

Biased might be better because he does have foreign policy credentials. He's with WINEP (founded by AIPAC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ross

Monday, October 8, 2007 03:39 PM

Mr. Foxman - Please Help Us Understand

"As a Holocaust survivor...who lost nearly all of his family to the Nazi gas chambers, the suggestion that I or ADL would suddenly hold back such criticism due to political or other considerations is personally hurtful and deeply offensive."

But you see, Mr. Foxman, Glenn has proven that you ARE holding back criticism. Since you obviously have motivation not to but seem to be unable to explain your actions, we are forced to come up with our own hypotheses.

What are some potential hypotheses? One is that you are being paid off, but I doubt anyone here thinks that's the case. The only really credible hypothesis is that you have sided with the political right in America and you are withholding your criticism out of a misguided sense of what is good for Israel. What else could it be?

Now please apologize to Glenn for disingenuously pretending that he hurt you or offended you personally.

Monday, October 8, 2007 03:39 PM

Abe Foxman is in the same basket with

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They have a certain entertainment value. But they are not to be taken seriously.

Monday, October 8, 2007 03:33 PM

"But would jihadists with suicase bombs sacrifice the Palestinians in order to destroy Israel?"

Some of them would. Are the Palestinians Suni, Shia or someing else?

Monday, October 8, 2007 03:32 PM

Religion before Country

I'm 100% sure I'm going to be branded an "anti-semite" for saying this. I don't care. Anti-semitism is nothing but a whip used by groups like the ADL to flog anyone who isn't acting in the best interests of Isreal.

I am not an Isreali. I am not a Jew. I am an American. I spent 12 years in the Marine Corps defending America. I say this in all sincerity: The ADL is just one more right wing reactionary group that is in the buisness of putting the interests of it's co-religionists ahead of the interests of it's country. I have no doubt that Mr. Foxman carries dual Isreali-American citizenship, so I cannot call him a traitor to his country because he is acting in the best interests of at least one of them. But he and every other Israeli-fauxAmerican traitor to the US should be required to choose which of his/her two countries he IS loyal to and stop pretending to support the other. YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS.

The same goes for dispensationalist Christians who put Isreal's interests ahead of that of their country. You obviously want to bring about the end of the world and the fall of the United States government along with it. All you are really doing is ensuring that your country will be hated by every Musilm in the world for facilitating Isreals fascist (and yes that IS the right word, look it up) positions toward it's own religious minority. You are selling your country out for your religious fantasies and causing Isreal to become what it professes to hate.

It is 30 years past time for the US to addopt a middle east policy that is based upon rational thought and national self interest as opposed to the religious fantasies of a few religious fanatics.

Monday, October 8, 2007 03:27 PM

Milton Viorst

http://truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/20071004_milton_viorst_on_the_israel_lobby

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Milton Viorst on ‘The Israel Lobby’
Posted on Oct 4, 2007

About 30 or so years ago, when I first began to write of my concern that Israel was embarked on a course that would lead only to recurring wars, or perhaps worse, I received a letter from Abraham H. Foxman, then as now the voice of the Anti-Defamation League, admonishing me as a Jew not to wash our people’s dirty linen in public. I still have it in my files. His point, of course, was not whether the washing should be public or private; he did not offer an alternative laundry. His objective was—and remains—to squelch anyone who is critical of Israel’s policies.

In the ensuing years, Foxman and a legion of like-minded leaders, most but not all of them Jewish, have been remarkably successful in suppressing an open and frank debate on Israel’s course. In view of Israel’s impact on America’s place in the world, it is astonishing how little discussion its role has generated. As a practical matter, the subject has been taboo. John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt, professors of political science at the University of Chicago and Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government, respectively, have challenged this taboo in their new book, “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy.” Foxman, in an effort to discredit them, has written a rejoinder in his book “The Deadliest Lies: The Jewish Lobby and the Myth of Jewish Control.” [...]

[...] The late social critic Irving Howe, deeply committed to Israel himself, used to argue that Jewish leaders like Foxman depend for their status on ceaselessly trumpeting the dangers faced by the Jewish people, and particularly by Israel, from a hostile world. These leaders, Howe insisted, exploit the scars which inquisitions, pogroms and the Holocaust have left on the collective Jewish psyche, scars which distort Jewish political judgment. Foxman is no doubt sincere in agonizing over the dangers that Jews have historically faced. But Howe argued that these dangers had become a vested interest for the leaders of Jewish organizations, making an open and honest debate all but impossible in American Jewish circles and in America’s political culture generally.

[...] One can admit the legitimacy of Foxman’s warnings on anti-Semitism and still ask for the evidence of “subtle bigotry” in the Mearsheimer-Walt text. I found none, unless the reader accepts the premise that anti-Semitism is present in any scrutiny of relations between the U.S. government and American Jews, or the Israel lobby. Foxman says the authors’ objective is to make Israel into a “pariah” state, though nothing that they write reveals such a goal. On the contrary, Mearsheimer and Walt recognize lobbies—all lobbies—as a legitimate part of the American political system, existing to shape or shift policy in the interest of the various causes they serve. Foxman, backed by quotes from such dubious authorities as Dennis Ross, an ex-U.S. ambassador and a vigorous defender of official Israeli views, seeks to attribute something sinister to their motives.

Without question, Mearsheimer and Walt have written less a work of political science than a brief for their position. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as they maintain the standards of scholarship incumbent on their craft, which exhaustive footnotes of more than a hundred pages suggest strongly that they do.

[...] Indeed, it is not clear whether Mearsheimer and Walt fully understand what the Israel lobby is. At its apex, of course, is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the Washington-based organization whose power strikes fear in the executive branch and, even more so, in Congress. AIPAC is complemented by a constellation of satellites, among them the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the American Jewish Committee and Foxman’s own Anti-Defamation League. Their agenda seeks not only to assure Israel’s survival but to pursue particular partisan policies. They function, in effect, as the U.S. arm of Likud, serving Israel’s right wing [...]

- - Milton Viorst

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