Nice, dogged work, Mr. Greenwald. I loved that you tried to keep Foxman pinned down to the facts of the matter -- good, to-the-point questions that go right past Foxman's chaff he's throwing out.

He was on "Chicago Tonight" recently (October 1; this was about the flap regarding the book by Mearsheimer and Walt, and him pushing his own book, The Deadliest Lies) and did much the same thing, constructing a strawman he relentlessly battled, largely ignoring Phil Ponce's questions (although, to his credit, Phil Ponce followed up on his questions and tried to sound Foxman out on the issue, but Foxman clung to his talking points -- it was a kind of strikingly empty performance by Foxman).

I'm really curious how this pans out, whether you're able to get some actual answers out of him, or not.

No, they were responding to sysprog's comment:

http://tinyurl.com/2ten2r

which Glenn linked on the main post.

The image of ADL staffers wading through pages of WinSmith, shooter242 and the FUDGE-PACHYDERM guy may be amusing, but it's probably fantasy...

I know. Shut up.

But 'they' seem to purport, between the lines, they still enjoy attending a pork barbecue. Evasive.

ADL seems evasive. GG seems to simply be straightforward and trying to be honest with a 'pure intent' to plunge to the depth...

O, maybe I am naive about a pork, poke, igor, a pig-in-blanket, but if a hoof makes a good swine soup, I'm not so sure.

A butcher pokes a pig and stuffs the meat into a blanket of dough for a meagre profit. Sausage. Linked meat. Obvious. A string of meat links.

Considering that: What does it profit if a man/ADL sell one's soul and waddles via a market-place like a swine-hog with the rich-poker folk-fellers?

I still say, "They (ADL) are hiding under a blanket and raking in, suckled, into a filthy dough-blanket. I think that. So I'll say it...

None knows when the pig or human will croak. It sounds allot like ADL's acting like a monkey mind. It seems ADL want a rich platter from rich, well endowed, notorious GOP "pig" contributors.

William Timberman posted this link on the last thread as OT, it is very topical here (link corrected):

http://www.prospectsforpeace.com/2007/10/ok_here_we_go_the_israel_lobby.html

They need credibility with liberals

All very true, very astutue.

Glenn, why not just post roughly as follows:

1. [Nazi-comparing quote by right winger like O'Reilly]

2. A statement to this effect: The ADL condemns this outrageous comment.

Just keep saying that the ADL condemns their speech. In fact, all of us should start claiming that the ADL condemned this stuff.

Let the ADL then decide whether or not to disavow the condemnations.

[to Glenn]: Either you're channeling Mark Elf or you need to get help. 75% or more of your recent output is violently antizionist/antisemitic....

That you confuse the two shows that you're not particularly bright.

... It's no longer the label it's the sheer quantity.

That your numerical (and/or perceptual) difficulties tell the same story should come as no surprise.

Cheers,

This is why Glenn is getting under their skin. Whatever its position on Iran, the ADL isn't just another right-wing pressure group that can happily settle for being popular among "dittoheads" and viewers of Fox News. It knows it needs liberals and the mainstream media to regard it as credible and authoritative, especially on the issues at hand (like who's being anti-Semitic and who's dishonoring Holocaust victims). That's partly because of the nature of the issues it raises and partly because of the long history of exemplary leadership that American Jews have brought to liberal communities and causes. Liberal credibility is their armor, and Glenn found the chink in it.

Things are starting to turn. Joe Klein has also been remarkably testy over getting called out on his coy pseudo-liberalism, and for the same reason -- he wants wider credibility than you get once you've "come out" as just another righty pundit. We need to keep pressing the attack, driving wedges between these people and their winger friends.

Glenn, I agree with the goal of this post: to discourage the use of Hitler/Nazi references in political discourse.

Please read up (and back through the links) a bit. That is not Glenn's "purpose". In fact, a bit part of Glenn's actual purpose is to show that the ADL seems to have veered a bit away from its proclaimed purpose, and instead seems to have thrown itself into a bit more partisan activity.

If that's what the ADL would like to do, fine, but then out with it. To pretend to be taking a "non-partisan" high ground and to use the good name of the ADL for more mundane (and partisan) purposes is something that should be exposed if it is occurring.

Cheers,

are you an LGF plant?

perhaps an ADL plant -- "look at those jew-hating solon readers.."

The wrong country.

I just watched an NBC TV report on the effects of violence on children in Baghdad. About half of all children in that large city have personally seen violence/rape/death and are probably suffering from PTSD. There is only one psychologist who was not trained in treating violence victims to try and help all these suffering children.

It seems Mr. Foxman would also benefit from another part of the same song:

Couldn't you try just a little bit harder?

Couldn't you try just a little bit more?

Hey, if they're reading the comments, here's one for you: answer the questions, or be exposed as yet another hypocrite.

I'm fine with it either way.

Israel has always been in a cold/hot war with its islamist neighbors since its founding. The genius of Osama Bin Ladin was to fulfill the neocon wet dream of officially enlisting the US government on Israel's side. Dogs, tails, hegemons, it's all there. In this context the Iraq war makes little sense unless Iran is also attacked. What chaos is that going to throw American politics into! Especially if Israel is then attacked by Iran The dominant line now seems to be that even though, as Sy Hersh points out, AIPAC has even more control over Democrats than Republicans, the Dems lack the "resolve" that the PNAC/Clean Break folks have. Thus the attack must be carried out before the election. This has the added advantage of rolling the dice on the election itself and putting Hillary in a heck of a position for which she has tried to prepare herself by voting for the latest Lieberman amendment.

The fun we are having with the ADL now may be put into an unfortunate perspective of insignificance soon.