seems like more and more Israelis are beginning to speak up against the influence of organizations who profess to care about Israel

http://www.prospectsforpeace.com/2007/10/ok_here_we_go_the_israel_lobby.html

May late father was a holocaust survivor who had lost all his family, including his parents and 7 siblings after the germans occupied Poland. He fought the Nazis as a partisan in the Ukraine and after the war immigrated to California. My father was livid at Abe Foxman. He felt that Foxman had prostituted the holocaust in the service of the Israeli extreme right wing and their American neoconservative supporters. he felt that Foxman was betraying the memory of the dead and disrespecting the survivors. The reason Foxman refused to answer GG question is that he would admit betraying the ADL charter and mission if he told the truth, which is that he would never condemn perceived supporters of the Likud. As long as Foxman heads the ADL, there's no prospect of change.

...of an ally that contradicts what we wish to stand for. abe foxman is not standing for jewish interests per se, but for israeli politics, likud style.

once you separate (ah yes, again) the religeon and the state, things become clearer. ole dishonest abe wants to start a war with a (non arabic!) state in (ahem) lock step with american and israeli neo cons...how many years has it been since iran used military agression against another state? 600 or so (no, shooter, iraq started that war).

SadlyNo has a send-up of our "intellectually honest" conservative, Ed "Cap'n Kirk" Morrissey:

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/7393.html

Complete with this gem about why the (alleged) Terra-ists are worse that Nazis (or at least more eminently torturable):

"It must be said, however, that they faced a different enemy in a different war. The Germans fought to expand territory through traditional warfare, at least as arrayed against the US and the West. While they conducted sabotage missions in the US through espionage, they did not use terrorist infiltrators to attempt to kill thousands of American civilians."

Cheers,

with anti-semitism reminds me of my ex-husband's tactics against my recently diagnosed bipolar son. Every time my son disagrees with his father over anything, my ex accuses him of going off his lithium, or of being paranoid, of being depressed or of being manic. In other words, my ex uses my son's real and tragic condition in an attempt to control and gain emotional advantage over him. The cruelty, dishonesty and selfishness of this strategy is self-evident.

My son, a brilliant & creative young writer (if I might say so myself) coined the term "emotional terrorism" to describe his father's actions. And now that he's so aptly labelled the conduct, I see it manifested everywhere. Shutting down debate with emotionally charged words like patriotism, the Holocaust, Hitler and fascism is quite effective emotional terrorism, often used to impose conformity on controversial issues such as war, abortion, surveillence, torture and racism. The emotion of the words simply shuts down opposition.

More to the point, however, is that ADL's very selective condemnation of emotional terrorism in only those cases where it doesn't hurt proponents of an US/Iranian war serves to aid and abet the warmongers. But worse, Foxman has adopted the Hilter/fascist name callers' tactics as his own by invoking his experience of the Holocaust. He intends to cut off debate, to terrorize or shame Glenn into backing off. He has become that which he deplores. It's very sad.

All of that aside, perhaps reasoned discourse would be helped along if respected bloggers like Glenn could promulgate some discourse rules (like ISO standards), and vote to accept the rules. Deviations from those rules could then be quickly tagged. Obviously, a list of logic fallacies would be a good start, and other rules like no Hitler/Holocaust comparisons allowed (except in stated limited circumstances).

Just a thought.

I just read Kovie's comment and Jesus does he hit the nail on the head. A powerful and elegant argument.

nice fishing, you caught all the fat trolls you need for dinner tonight...enjoy! and keep posting...

Number 60 is low. I was going to post that (it should be up between 60-80K) and then I noticed your title. What do you mean by "Jews and people"? That brought a flood of distrust to your post. Now I have no idea what you mean, and would like an explanation.

I assumed some sort of horrible typo. If not, ugh!

I don’t know what was meant by that title or the source of the figures, but…

I added up those deaths from conflicts since 1950 with over 10,000 Fatalities that you provided and it comes to 88,936,000. It doesn’t seem like mankind learns from history even something as recent as WWII.

These figures don’t count all the lives that have been ruined and the mental and physical damage from war survivors.

WT: I agree with you that we cannot control what others do, but we can control what we ourselves do. I think 75,000 in Iraq since 2003 is a very conservative estimate and we certainly don’t need to add even more from an Iranian attack.

Who's surprised?

Foxman pulled the exact same sort of crap recently while aiding and abetting the Turkish government in their ongoing quest to deny the truth of the Armenian Genocide. Even after facing astonishing levels of anger from the American progressive Jewish community and a movement against the ADL's "No Place For Hate" campaign, Foxman is still dragging his heels.

He now admits reluctantly that the Armenian genocide was "tantamount to genocide" (emphasis added); I don't know why he's so resistant to actually calling it genocide. But he's also still lobbying the US Congress to stop passage of two bills recognizing the Genocide. Says it's an issue that should be left to the Armenian survivors and the Turks to discuss, along with historians. Government apparently has no place in the recognition of genocide - unless it's the Holocaust, of course!

(It says something that George W. Bush is also strongly opposing those bills. War criminals stick together, I guess.)

"There's no business like Shoah business" wasn't coined to describe Foxman, but it should have been.