Letters to the Editor
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Kitt ZINGS
If you can possibly find a group of folks more feeble minded than you are, go try out your dogpissings on them. You're so far out of your league here that your tail is not between your legs, it has been chopped off.
Ooooh snap, Kitt!! You GOT me!!
Worthless, utterly worthless. Insulting me with ad hominems is just plain pathetic, Kitt. The litany of insults directed at me in this thread shows how emotionally charged people get over their God given right to smack down those privileged rich and power Jews who dare claim that anti-Semitism still exists.
Excuse me for ruining your comic book conspiracy theories. Hey, I hear no Jews died in the World Trade Center. Those Israelis are GENIUSES at manipulating the entire USA. They're like super villians. It's amazing. Somebody should write a book exposing when all the Rabbis got together and plotted world domination. Oh wait...
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Madonna
1) the word cabal does indeed come from the cabbalists in Spain.
I think it comes from Madonna. All those Hollywood Jews are into Kabbalah.
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re: margalis
If I may, I'd like to expound on your thoughts, and I apologize if I stray from your meaning a bit, but your comment resonated with me.
From my (albeit limited) experience, those that support Bush's methods of dealing with suspected 'terrorists' figure that those methods could not possibly be used against them (after all, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right?). Or, if it did, that the legal system would remedy the situation.
What they do not seem to realize (or refuse to acknowledge), is that what Bush and his supporters push for would (or already has?) remove(d) the very remedies they feel would help them if they should be falsely accused. Representation? Presentation of evidence? Hah! To do so would undermine national security and all that. That there are already examples of innocents being savaged by their indifference is no matter to them - they simply plug their ears and cover their eyes and voila! No inconsistency! It is infuriating.
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@ -- P.D. "Bo" Steele
But why the need to accuse Brooks of intellectual dishonesty? Aren't reasonable people allowed to change their minds? Or change their views about the strengths of opinions previously held? Or is the position of this blog that one cannot be intellectual honest and still support the war?
-- P.D. "Bo" Steele
If the arguments for supporting that war keep changing without admitting prior errors, then, yes, it is intellectually dishonest. Either that or it is a scam.
Speaking for myself, there is no one I have more respect for than a mortal who admits having been wrong about something and sets out to rectify the harm.
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WinStraw
Excuse me for ruining your comic book conspiracy theories. Hey, I hear no Jews died in the World Trade Center. Those Israelis are GENIUSES at manipulating the entire USA. They're like super villians. It's amazing. Somebody should write a book exposing when all the Rabbis got together and plotted world domination. Oh wait...
-- WinSmith
There is no need to work at "ooh, snapping" you. Your own words make you look more foolish than anything I, or anyone, might say in reply to you.
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Paul Rosenberg
Rosenberg writes:
But Glenn is arguing precisely the opposite, instead of treating Jewish-American politics differently than Cuban-American politics, Mexican-American politics, etc., he's saying that we should treat it the same way, and openly discuss the various aspects involved. If we don't do that, then driving that discussion underground is precisely what feeds into real, actual anti-Semitism.
Excellently argued Paul, and this would be correct if it were true.
But Glenn has done just the opposite. He's arguing that Jewish agenda is at work behind the scenes as one of the driving forces of American foreign policy. He explicitly stated that Jewish Americans work against the USA and in favor of Israel, a statement as paranoid and offensive as much as it ties directly into age old libel myths (which no one here seems to want to acknowledge exited or still exit).
Glenn is not simply criticizing specific incidents. He is tying them together as part of a grand narrative, refusing to consider the strucuralist history of this narrative in both American history and world history) in the interest of his "just the facts, ma'am" disingenuousness, and then claiming anyone who questions this narrative is simply part of the conspiracy.
It's tautological paranoia.
Claim a historical stereotype used as perhaps the preeminent tool of numerous propaganda driven massacres of the 11th-20th Centuries is really true. Claim anyone who questions this is simply "stifling debate" or "part of the agenda."
Since I argue some attacks on Lieberman are anti-Semitic in nature, I must be a Neo-Con myself. I'm really part of the conspiracy to stifle the truth tellers. I couldn't possibly be a liberal myself.
Or I'm an asshole, or feeble minded, or whatever other of the 20 or so names I've been called.
Not once have the merits of the argument been engaged. Time and again the notion that there is real anti-Semitism at work driving some criticisms of Lieberman or Israel or any Jewish lobby effort (conservative or liberal) is dismissed in favor of the "it's simply a cover story to protect yourself."
There are legit criticisms all over the place.
Where Glenn fails is in privileging the ADL as proof positive of some deep hidden right wing cabal of Jewish interest groups working to wage war.
The AIPAC conspiracy theories fly every day on Daily Kos. Thankfully much of the Kos community sees this for what it is -- the Protocols Myth, the driving myth of the Ku Klux Klan and its descendants like David Duke, reborn anew.
Just as it will be 50 years from now. 100 years from now.
There's always a hidden force working to destroy the Nation from within. And it's always the Jews.
Given Glenn's crucial work exposing the real power structures and breakdowns that led to this war, it's not only a horribly intellectually lazy trap to fall into, but it takes away from the real work we have to do.
The idiots who invaded Iraq would have invaded Iraq if Israel didn't exist, if AIPAC didn't exist, if American Jews didn't exist.
To fail to see what drives the republican movement, to want to "out" Jews or Jewish influence where you can find them in this movement, is to commit unforgiveable intelletual laziness and ignore historical precedent that motivates this lame, age old tale that always revives itself under "just the facts, ma'am" self justifications and inverted "it's the Jews themselves who keep bringing up anti-Semitism" nonsense.
It's not the Jews bringing up false anti-Semitism charges. There is real anti-Semitism at work within all these narratives.
You can do the work to see it, or you can shrilly react, call me a shithead, and fall right into the well worn path of intellectual laziness that always leads to the same mythic fairytale of hidden Jewish power destroying the state.