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Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:00 AM

Fox News' attack on the honor and integrity of our war generals

Fox accuses the generals of "betraying" their own soldiers and putting their reputations and careers ahead of the lives of U.S. soldiers.

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Saturday, September 29, 2007 06:54 PM

Fox News?

Anyone know for sure - or maybe it doesn't even matter. If I go to Wikipedia it refers to the Fox News Channel as part of the Fox Entertainment Group. Is it news? Or, is it entertainment packaged as news? No, No, I know. You can trust their "news" as far as you can (ahem) spit into a hurricane. But, is it legit for them to claim it's news?

Saturday, September 29, 2007 07:01 PM

In a very slanted way, there is a point there...

We should have seen some resignations -- resigning commissions -- to protest the malfeasant and illegal policies that the military is told to implement.

Saturday, September 29, 2007 07:19 PM

Petreaus

Does everyone here know that Petraeus has NEVER been in combat? He's a staff officer, a REMF. How can a man whose never been shot at lead others in war?

Saturday, September 29, 2007 07:22 PM

Fox News rules!

It's been going on for 7 years now.

The republicans just keep on whippin' on and humiliatin' the pathetic, sorry-assed, democrats. It's embarrassing! The repubs do anything, anytime they feel like it, and they not only do it with impunity, they just chuckle at the whining, cry-babyish, liberals. They are probably roaring over Fox New' attack on the generals because they are orchestrating it.

The sorry-assed liberals don't even try to fight back with any commitment. There is just token opposition. They are best represented by the democratic pundits who appear on Fox to defend them. True sorry-asses! These pseudo pundits are the the best representatives the democrats have against the republican powerhouse.

Kerry and Gore and Cleland, and probably hundreds of others have been made an example of, and these generals will also be diminished. They won't fight back because if they do they will only get hurt more-so, until they feel the pain.

"You don't mess with Texas" without paying a heavy penalty.

They have got the Supreme Court on their side. They have intimidated the democrats in congress to the point that they will vote in accordance with anything Joe Lieberman or Mitch McConnell desire.

What a joke! Fox News rules!

Saturday, September 29, 2007 07:36 PM

The choice may be out of our hands...

I recommend this anxiety inducing (for me anyway) piece at Talking Points Memo: http://tinyurl.com/3tkl

09.29.07 -- 9:05PM // link
The most well-connected 'outsiders' in the country
The headline on the AP report on Freedom's Watch reads, "Outsiders aim to frame political debate." If there's a less accurate description of the powerful conservative activists behind this new group, I can't think of it.
"Freedom's Watch and MoveOn.org could be the left and right bookends not only on the war, but on a number of issues that will decide the 2008 elections and shape congressional debate beyond. Freedom's Watch organizers said they are considering whether to create a political subgroup, like MoveOn has, that could directly play a role in elections."
"Bookends"? Eli Pariser, the executive director of MoveOn.org Political Action, noted, "The main difference is that MoveOn is a group of 3.3 million. Freedom's Watch is a few mega millionaires."
What's more, they're incredibly well-connected mega millionaires. The AP's headline notwithstanding, Freedom's Watch includes some key establishment heavy-hitters. Bradley A. Blakeman, president and chief executive officer of Freedom's Watch, was a member the White House senior staff in Bush's first term. Mary Matalin, Dick Cheney's counselor until 2003, is helping set the group's agenda. Freedom's Watch's chief spokesperson is Ari Fleischer, Bush's first White House press secretary. The board and principal financiers include Bush administration ambassadors and party insiders.

(snip)

Is it too early to man/woman the barricades?

Saturday, September 29, 2007 07:41 PM

whoops!

That link was to TPM's front page. Who knows what will be up in an hour. The permalink for the piece describing Freedom's Watch is: http://tinyurl.com/2tzz7n

Saturday, September 29, 2007 08:05 PM

Honor and Integrity = Coup.

On the way to work this morning I had a chat with a fellow from Africa who asked me seriously why our Generals had not initiated a coup against Bush and his gang. He said that when this happens in Africa, a coup happens and the gangsters are kicked out of power. He couldn't understand how we as a nation could tolerate this behavior.

We have been conditioned to accept it and a significant percentage of our population are heavily medicated and incapapble of grasping such abstract concepts such as honor, integrity, right and wrong.

Torture is acceptable, abroad and domestically. What happens when security guards and police use tasers, physical assault and summary executions on youngsters in this country? People just watch it and maybe a few brave souls will videotape it. No one stops it. Blaming the victim is a sure sign of psychopathy and that is what we are facing, psychopathic monsters that see others as prey and victim who know with certainty that their actions will go unpunished.

The country has gone nutz and the majority who are not psychopaths are not capable of dealing with the problem because dealing with human monsters is just too difficult and even thinking about it causes people to just freeze like prey that has noticed a predator eyeing them.

Predators understand and fear one thing. Becoming the prey. They have nothing to fear.

Saturday, September 29, 2007 08:09 PM

in the middle ages war was chivalric and had rules; policing was brutal and arbitrary

in the modern age it's the opposite. my paradigm cases are our war with japan and the FBI battle with the mafia. in the war, there was no distinction between soldiers and civilians. tokyo was burned, flame throwers were used and of course, the atom bomb. on their side, bataan, fight to the death and kamikaze. they lost fully 6% of their population - and we would have too, had they the capability. in the FBI against the mob, there were rules, courts, lawyers - proof. we weren't going to needlessly inflame the maybe fifteen million italians living here.

the problem is that Fox News acts as if it is a war, with a necessary crusade against a global jihad, while our *actual* action is more like policing. we ought to decide what we want. for myself, i prefer bribery, intimidation, alliances and treachery - diplomacy if you will, to actual fighting. if survival is at stake, not some mere local interest, fighting is necessary. and my temperament is to ask and give no quarter. kill and die. all are enemies. now, you might very well say, you don't know what you are talking about, and anyhow, it's too abstract - and i'd have to agree with you. but there's a lull in posting and i wanted to give my opinion on the essence behind the essence.

Holly McLachlan(14) Jena. Anonymous was giving the White News. that's what first came out. that some random white guy was beaten senseless. only much later did the general (white) population learn the truth - and then only if there were other reasons for it (more than half my family's black and i had to get a lot of cussin emails before i accepted the truth) and yes, you tried - in the first paragraph. then you had to blow off some steam. which Anonymous picked up on and which, to his mind, allowed hims to be insulting."Hey, Holly, these are the facts, babe." to which the only possible answer is Fuck You!, and leave - which you did. Anonymous didn't even wait the few weeks (after the demonstration - shows that demonstrations still work!) for the MSM to bring out the real story. this is the SAME REASON why there are still americans who believe Iraq was behind 9/11. unless it matters to your group, you believe what you first hear from the MSM.

finally, "Frankly, my dear" and "caiubi", yes garry owen is a nice tune. you can even play it! it's a descending scale. get any keyboard, it's cbAgfEdcEee where capitals are double length. try it! it's easy!

there, something cerebral, something literal and something just for fun.

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