Letters to the Editor
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WTO?
what is that?
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Jim
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goebmain.htm
I Googled and went to the site listed above while waiting for you to give me a direct link and I couldn't find the speech there. Many, many very similar in tone but not that specific one. It could be there though, I didn't look too hard for it.
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Adnoto
There was no agenda behind my question Glenn. I was sincerely wondering-out-loud.
I know. I wasn't asking to make a point. I was genuinely interested in what you thought.
And, before you go off on a rant about how those 22 did not screw anyone, let me just say that I agree, they didn't. This time. Practically speaking and WRT the Dem leadership... does it matter? Where have they been? They are a party that has control of the reins of power. Should they not be held responsible as a party? What happens when you target individuals, win those battles and still get screwed? What happens when Hillary Clinton gets elected and nothing changes?
I think the best plan for achieving meaningful change is to remove the right-wing monster from power while changing the Democratic Party to make it worth replacing. Voting for the Green Party will make Rudy Giluiani or someone similar the President. I think that's worth avoiding. You, I guess, don't.
To me there is just no logic or common sense behind that stance. I sincerely am not trying to call you out, bait you or offend you here but, I see only fear and ignorance driving that belief. The problem is systemic.
I think it's easy to be dismissive of the differences when the differences don't matter to your life.
All Democrats yesterday voted to restore habeas corpus. All Republicans except 6 voted against it. You can say that's no big deal. But if you were being held indefinitely at Guantantamo with no possibility to contest the charges against you, I'd doubt that would be your attitude. But since you're not, you can shoo it away as some petty and irrelevant contrast.
Which is why El Cid (I think it was him) and me asked you to read and comment on Chris Floyd's Post-Mortem America essay. Given that it came out at nearly the same time as your post concerning the fact that what America is has fundamentally changed -- that nearly every illegal action we abhor has now become the sanctioned law of the land, etc.
I pretty much read every Chris Floyd post. I also email with him periodically about these matters. We don't disagree on much, except, perhaps, tactics. But honestly, I just don't see anyone who makes these systemic critiques ever accomplishing much. The last thing it accomplished was George Bush's election.
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Adnoto
There was no agenda behind my question Glenn. I was sincerely wondering-out-loud.
I know. I wasn't asking to make a point. I was genuinely interested in what you thought.
And, before you go off on a rant about how those 22 did not screw anyone, let me just say that I agree, they didn't. This time. Practically speaking and WRT the Dem leadership... does it matter? Where have they been? They are a party that has control of the reins of power. Should they not be held responsible as a party? What happens when you target individuals, win those battles and still get screwed? What happens when Hillary Clinton gets elected and nothing changes?
I think the best plan for achieving meaningful change is to remove the right-wing monster from power while changing the Democratic Party to make it worth replacing. Voting for the Green Party will make Rudy Giluiani or someone similar the President. I think that's worth avoiding. You, I guess, don't.
To me there is just no logic or common sense behind that stance. I sincerely am not trying to call you out, bait you or offend you here but, I see only fear and ignorance driving that belief. The problem is systemic.
I think it's easy to be dismissive of the differences when the differences don't matter to your life.
All Democrats yesterday voted to restore habeas corpus. All Republicans except 6 voted against it. You can say that's no big deal. But if you were being held indefinitely at Guantantamo with no possibility to contest the charges against you, I'd doubt that would be your attitude. But since you're not, you can shoo it away as some petty and irrelevant contrast.
Which is why El Cid (I think it was him) and me asked you to read and comment on Chris Floyd's Post-Mortem America essay. Given that it came out at nearly the same time as your post concerning the fact that what America is has fundamentally changed -- that nearly every illegal action we abhor has now become the sanctioned law of the land, etc.
I pretty much read every Chris Floyd post. I also email with him periodically about these matters. We don't disagree on much, except, perhaps, tactics. But honestly, I just don't see anyone who makes these systemic critiques ever accomplishing much. The last thing it accomplished was George Bush's election.
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WTO
Winner Take Oll?
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@WT
The DCCC will unfortunately still withhold money from candidates they don't believe can win, even when the DCCC itself has encouraged them to run. We had a case of that in my congressional district last election, and it left a bad taste with some of us, since we thought we'd had a better chance than they thought we'd had.
Well then, I'm feeling even better about reaming the poor sod from the DCCC that called me today looking for some $. Told him they'd see money from me when they showed me they were doing the job they were elected to do.
A pox on them and Rahm Emmanuel and all the others who are the mirror image of the Republican Straussians. I've had quite enough of others telling me what's best for, well, me.
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Praising Pavlov's dog
You say we have to punish the miscreants by withdrawing support. But isn't praise (and/or support) part of the "training program" too? Reward good behaviour too, and your message to the party is twice as strong. -- Arne
Er...care to name anything that should be praised?
Nevermind. Don't bother. I have been paying attention and, to my mind, there literally isn't anything of note to praise.. so, seriously, don't bother.
It really doesn't matter Arne. We could go back and forth on this forever. We just do not see the same things.
The problem is systemic. It is way beyond "getting just a few more 'good' Dems and we are home free." I don't know how else to explain it and I am exhausted with this.
Good luck to you.