...When you see the doughy smugness oozing off these bespectacled mama's boys, unfortunately, it's a perfect metaphor for modern America.

Cowardly, psychopathic dimwits posing as intellectuals, taken seriously, inexplicably wielding frightening amounts of power, only serves to reveal how f*cked up this country really is at this juncture.

These Kagan clan types relish death & destruction; they live in a mental ward fantasy world. Yet, there are no repercussions.

That they are not immediately apprehended & lead away to said mental ward is, as mentioned, a metaphor for the current sorry state of our nation.

I have an idea(it won't go far and it will never become law) that there is a public way to expose the pugnacious behavior with no fight activities of the Kagans of this world. One of "Move On's"loyal House people should propose a bill that would require those who publicly strongly support the Iraq war but have not been in the service(either themselves or their close relations etc.) should be required to pay a supplemental surcharge on their income tax of 50% of their calculated tax owed.

Another thought; When military men make decisions based on political results the media should routinely ask them "are you will to fall on your sword (and not figuratively) if you are wrong. Like Hari-Kari in traditional Japan. Anyway those are my for fun thoughts at the end of a disappointing week for those of us who know that Iraq was a lost cause before the war began and haven't changed our minds since then.

The brothers Kagan look like about the least physically qualified people for the military. At least they have the decency to be lazy fatasses. It would be really galling if they were in shape and refused to serve.

Anytime a neo-con talks uses "generation" and "war" in the same sentence they are talking about being a "great generation" like the generation that fought WWII is called. Neo-conservatism is really based on what happenend after the end of WWII when the US was so successful in planting democracies in former enemy countries like Germany and Japan. If we did it then, we can do it again and all we have to do is go in take the bad guys out like we did in WWII and -presto- we have saved the world and implanted our values through out it.

The Neo-cons have always argued that the Liberals who ran the country during WWII ended the war too soon and that the US should have marched right on to Moscow after getting to Berlin. By not doing this, the "Liberals" threw Eastern Europe into the dark and made millions of people endlessly suffer. It was funny to see the President trot out this reason in his speech that tied Iraq to being like Vietnam. The reason why we should have never left was because we made many so people "suffer" after. As if being caught in the middle of an actual long runnning war wasn't "suffering" at all. Only a neo-con thinks this true.

We were in Vietnam a long time and it was obvious we weren't going to win. Just imagine how much suffering there would have been in the country if we had mindlessly continued a war we could never win. But to a neo-con for who abstract thought is the only reality, there can be nothing worse than having that abstract reasoning abandoned, so being forced to abandon even one principle is the worst suffering one can ever endure. This is the ideological make up of a Chickenhawk. (Add in the idea that the citizens of world really envy us so all we have to do is take out their evil leaders and they will receive us and worship our lifestyle and you've got the uber-Chickenhawk with an uzi in a superman suit.) This is why they call those who don't support the war unpatriotic because it is an abandonment of their ideal of America.

Did the citizens of Vietnam suffer more during the war or after it? A lot of Conservatives who have had to swallow hard to accept all this crap that the President has been serving them ought to have learned that there are worst things in life than having to spit out some of your high minded principles. The Iraqis are suffering more in this endless unwinnable civil war that we've dragged them into than anything that will happen if we get out. Yes, it would be bloody for awhile if we get out but one side will win out and then it will stop. In the end, continuing an unwinnable situation means more blood and suffering than getting out does. How false the President's Vietnam assumption is!!

Using his status as a "war hero", when it is helpful to one's argument, is as wrong as was the rightwing's attempted apotheosis of David Petraeus.

-- John Manning

While I think the comparison you use, and your absoluteness is overstated and over the top, I do agree with the gist of your vehement disapproval of Webb's vote, and also - with that in mind - of the basis of Glenn's overblown use of Webb's standing as a 'war hero' without consideration of Webb's vote that happens to undermine the Constitution of the United States.

American War Culture in a nutshell- GG

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Fred Kagan, along with his writing partner Bill Kristol specialize in planning and advocating more wars, always from afar.

-- (I am slow to learn. I'm afraid of mice. Click one, drag, and the computer mouse may bite me? Okay, but I caught a real mouse when I was a child. Then the furry mouse bit my middle finger. I got war and mice PTSD? I NO use mouse traps-

About Libraries- I like the old dirty dewey decimal 3 X 5 index card system.

ALSO: One day in war is one day/eon too long. I'd rather stay in Nova Scotia in a Hurricane storm and count waves of the sea throughout eternity than send some other poor naive bloke to be 'blown away' by lies)

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All war is rooted in LIES. You get killed in war. How about Role Model Kystol's partner GO TO WAR as a backup M- 16 gunner for the big target Kagan? They can be each other's pro-war love-partners in shedding blood together? Then they will be bona-fide and see what wounded soldiers are trying to just be talking about?

O, NO, Boo-hoo!

Imagine in our minds for one sliperry seaweed moment? Let's IMAGINE if Kagan's belly button pops-open and guts get all spilled on the war trail...And pro-war duh-sulpher stinker's like Krystol's bloody pals get splattered with lower black bowells on the clean shaved face!?

Whoo-Boo-No!

Dats sad and Mrs Kagan may cry? But let's NOT cry because if we ready to be DEAD...No cry, No cry, No cry...Big tears poor pro-war Babies.

Steal millions?

That's something to be worried about! Maybe ya' do suffer a billion times worst at some future date later" O, ask Blaise Pascal.

Wager?

Stupid.

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But then ya' will no see the blue lupine stalks. Ya' no see angels in the cumulous sky. Ya' no hear angelos/messengers at the Library. No pink blush apples will fall for you to get a sweet treat. Golden rod and purple aster flowers or yellow looking buttercups will pass ya' bye. Ya'd miss everthing important.

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I need to say: Kagan has a countenance of a huge black snake that gorged on little harmless mice. He is a pity. I'm not being speech abusive. If any of these Yellow Rubber Ducks, who sit in a bathtubs of blood for National Review, Weekly Standard, and no-"think" tanks like the American Enterprize Institute TYPES....YIKES!

If they are so much a tough hee-man role model for DEATH defiance...Pro-Kill...

...GO Crash Up Against A Big Red Brick Wall?

...You Big Windy Blow Bags Of goo Black Bile!

...Then, You will stink and wish ya' were killed!

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I do thank Mrs Kagan she did not have a dozen children.

You'd need to name one Hannibal? I'd stay out of the ilk of the Krystol's folk's bedchamber. Bill may sleep with a big black snake that could bite anyone. After a long languish on a death bed to re-Examing Life- Ya' die anyway.

Go figure.

O, no call me out...YOU bloody hired murders for Bush's delusions...