Letters to the Editor
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Günter Lewy
Lewy said he does not recall if he saw a copy of the naval investigative report or was briefed on its contents. "I'm quite confident the information is authentic," he said.
Paul O'Donnell, a spokesman for the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, said officials were searching for a copy of the report.
By Tom Bowman
Baltimore Sun
February 14, 2004
You will forgive me if I am not bowled over by this "evidence"...?
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I found an even better title for you - how about The GOP SIdeshow?
After all, that's what we've been watching for the last few years the do what I say not what I do crowd who vote against all gay rights and accuse all Democrats of being gay but then don't believe it if it involves a member of their party. How about the way they've accused the rest of the country of not being patriotic if we don't agree with everyone Chimpy McFlightsuit and Darth Cheney said? It's a sideshow all right, designed to deflect attention from the real and valid problems our country is facing.
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Titus' diaper
Kitt
When someone insists on remaining as resolutely obnoxious as you, there's not much that can be done.
Key is your failure to make distinctions, a sure sign of a weak mind. That some crimes occur does not mean that everyone is a criminal or that the crimes are "official policy from on high," as Kerry and the fraudulent Winter Soldier liars asserted.
Go kick your own dog, you miserable, obnoxious lout. No amount of evidence can convince those who will not believe.
-- Titus Pullo
That's your best post yet if irony is your aim. You've been a joke on here since day one. Nothing has changed.
I don't have a dog. Why is it that you like to tell people to kick dogs. Perhaps it is for the similar reason that you obviously think that women should be seen but not heard?
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lupercus
You picked that up from a blog and review of Lewy's book about the Armenian genocide, but I happen to have access to Lexus/Nexis, and no such story appears in the Baltimore Sun any time in 2004.
In fact, there's not a single Tom Bowman byline in the Sun before 2005. And no such story appears after he joined the paper.
So, you were saying? ...
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re: lupercus
Although off topic, a quick follow-up on Lupercus’ post:
Apart from Lewy's allegations, a search by MMFA turned up no other reports of evidence that any Winter Soldier witness was an impostor.
In fact, research by Media Matters for America has uncovered no evidence that any witness testifying in the 1971 Winter Soldier Investigation in Detroit has had his story discredited.
Here’s the “subscription only” portion in the Chicago Tribune cited by Media Matters that raises, ahem, quite a few questions about Lewy’s claims:
Lewy wrote that he had examined a Naval Investigative Service file that seriously discredited several of the Detroit veterans. Some were revealed by Navy investigators to have falsified their identities and weren't even in Vietnam, Lewy wrote.
Government officials today cannot verify that Naval Investigative Service report's existence.
"We have not been able to confirm the existence of this report, but it's also possible that such records could have been destroyed or misplaced," said Naval Criminal Investigative Service public affairs specialist Paul O'Donnell.
"I don't think Lewy is interested in presenting any of [the Winter Soldier testimony] as truthful," said University of Richmond history professor Ernest Bolt. "He has an angle on the war as a whole."
Bolt said it is impossible to tell whether Lewy fairly characterized the naval investigative report because no other historian had seen it. "He's using the points of their investigation that fit his purposes," Bolt said.
Enough said. Levy's claims are not backed up by any evidence anyone else has seen.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409130003
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The only "Winter Soldier Fraud" I see here...
...is being perpetrated by another Roman name war crimes apologist troll.
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a bit low down
Glen,
Love your stuff mostly, but tossing the guys picture up there is not really a valid kind of rhetorical warfare. There's plenty in what this clown writes to take him to the mat. Why pick on the guy's appearance? A little low down.
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@titus
1. "Tom Bowman is NPR's pentagon reporter and has been an investigative reporter for the Baltimore Sun for 19 years." The story is no longer on the Baltimore Sun's website, but fortunately the left-wing hate site FreeRepublic.com reproduced it:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1078667/posts
2. The Chicago Tribune also covered the story:
Lewy wrote that he had examined a Naval Investigative Service file that seriously discredited several of the Detroit veterans. Some were revealed by Navy investigators to have falsified their identities and weren't even in Vietnam, Lewy wrote.
Government officials today cannot verify that Naval Investigative Service report's existence.
"We have not been able to confirm the existence of this report, but it's also possible that such records could have been destroyed or misplaced," said Naval Criminal Investigative Service public affairs specialist Paul O'Donnell.
This one is still online:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/chi-0402220494feb22,1,4297735.story?page=3
What else ya got?
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@lupercus
My apologies. My assistant changed my Nexis default settings to "news: previous two years" and I hadn't noticed. (Note to self: have talk to assistant about changing my computer settings!)
You're right. The fact that I wasn't getting any hits before 2005 should have clued me that something was wrong.
The previously cited Chicago Tribune story, in that post, is incomplete, though. Conveniently left out is this line:
Oakton [College] professor [Richard] Stacewicz said it is possible that several imposters did testify among the 150 or so veterans in Detroit: "Could a couple of people have slipped through? Possibly.
Also left out but in that Chicago Trib is the number of soldiers and Marines tried and convicted for attrocities (about 125 total), which puts the lie to Kerry's and others' assertions that it was official policy and commonplace.
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@titus
Conveniently left out is this line:
Oakton [College] professor [Richard] Stacewicz said it
is possible that several imposters did testify among the 150 or so
veterans in Detroit: "Could a couple of people have slipped
through? Possibly.
And conveniently left out of your post is the very next sentence:
Oakton professor Stacewicz said it is possible that several imposters did testify among the 150 or so veterans in Detroit: "Could a couple of people have slipped through? Possibly. But does that impugn everybody else? Not in my view."
Come now. Let's not be ridiculous.