These fears and worldviews although ostensibly directed at outside the U.S. are really directed at their fellow Americans who don’t share their views – who need to “wake up” and embrace the fear and adopt their delusional conspiracy theories

This is why I find it valuable to remind people that our loyalty, as Americans, is to the Constitution of the United States. While Malkinites and others like to talk about loyalty and go on and on about our enemies, insofar as such people are willing to ignore or downplay the protections provided in the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the separation of powers built into the document, then they are the ones who can be called treasonous.

3. salonista’s fear of our government has never been explained in the form of an actual action against them. I believe their fear is due to a long standing abuse of marijuana, . . . but I must admit that I have no evidence of that.

-- NotOrbitBoy

It was a commie plot and the Islamists have always been in cahoots with the Nazis and the commies.

Western intellectuals and friends can help the Muslim world in its spiritual and cultural maturity by supporting the constructive elements in Islam.

Well, looky here, we got us an authentic Muslim Orientalist. It's a type you don't see too often, I hope.

Anyway, I'm glad you think the West has the "spiritual and cultural maturity" to help you out. That's so nice.

But seriously, if I were you, I'd look elsewhere.

Hahaha! Fabulous. Glenn at his acerbic and no-nonsense best.

Is there a logical fallacy that the right wing loves more than the false dilemma? I'm pretty sure about 90% of all their political opinions are based on one sort of false dichotomy or another. If you don't support having 40million people unable to afford for-profit care you must want long waiting lists and government bureaucrats overruling your health care decisions, if you don't like 5 mega-corporations running all the media you must oppose freedom of the press and want to nationalize everything, if you don't like the death penalty you must want your children to be raped, if you don't like the government listening to your phone calls and reading your emails you must want more planes to fly into buildings.

The litany could easily go on. Republicans: Are they stupid, or just evil? It's one or the other with no other possibilities!

[some wanker]: ... it may well be worth talking about how effective Muslims will be at imposing their absurd demands for superiority upon civilized people ...

"Q: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is [hallucinations].
M: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor."

Cheers,

Salonista = A follower of Salon who agrees with the editorial slant and bias of Salon. Logic does not come easy to salonistas. Examples of their behavior can be found in their letters. A typical salonista will respond to criticism of their position with foul language, name calling, and irrational arguments. In other words, an emotional response.

Salon columnists play into the hands of salonistas by triggering these emotional responses. Unfortunately, base emotions are the ones that are targeted.

This makes life relatively easy for the columnists. All they need to do is criticize Bush, Cheney, or any Republican leader, and do so in a pejorative manner. Further inflammation of these emotions is accomplished by suggesting that the salonistas themselves are threatened. A suggestion that the columnist is more enlightened, or intellectually superior, is commonly employed. This last point is done with no precept of modesty. It gives the salonista the belief that he or she is also intelligent.

Rather than relying on arguments based on a series of facts, and explaining why those facts lead to a conclusion, salonistas will frequently claim to know the motive of their opponent. The most villainous motives are assumed (not proven) and put forward as reasons for the actions of their opponents. In other words, the opposite view is demonic, and any suggestion otherwise is evil . . . sounds like Pat Robertson, doesn’t it?

Salonista idiocyncracies:

1. salonistas think that posting as anonymous is cowardly, but posting as “cocktail fruit” is not. . . . hence the name NotOrbitBoy (I stole orbitboy’s cool name, thanks orbit). This also serves as an example of a salonista’s difficulty with logic.

2. salonistas think that foul language proves something other than what it truly does.

3. salonista’s fear of our government has never been explained in the form of an actual action against them. I believe their fear is due to a long standing abuse of marijuana, . . . but I must admit that I have no evidence of that.

"It's ironic that Roger Simon is talking about a religious state where liberals are killed for being gay. and how supporting a President stripping the rights of decent americans and killing innocent muslims in Iraw is the only way to prevent it.

"Maybe he should say that to the folks in Laramie, WY. Or say it to the family of Matthew Shepard. Or he can say it to the thousands of gay men and women every year who are victims of harassment or assault because they're homosexual."

Last-time I checked, we had hate-crime legislation that punished this behavior. Or we had laws outlawing harrassment and assault. Laws enacted b the government, not persecution of gay mean and women sanctioned by the government, as in Islamic countries.

Has the religious right had a horrendous effect in America? Yes. But only a damn fool would think it equivalent to what gay men and women of every orientation suffer under Islamic rule. Bush being the most dangerous president ever doesn't make that any less true.

Yup, Golden Boy, it's no surprise that you think your San Franciso college episode -- what appears to be an attempt to limit hate speech among students -- is some sort of de facto (hey, I used Latin just like you do, are ya impressed?) proof that Islamofascism is poised to take over America, from sea to shining sea.

And why don't you tell us how everyone from Corporal Klinger to Shakira to the Muslim guy who runs the falafel stand up the street secretly harbor the desire to take over the world and make us all subjects of Islam -- especially YOU.

And God (not Allah, of course) help anyone who does anything besides declare Holy War on the lot of them, because, even tolerance or coexistence is cause for hysteria, because it's a sign that the "nasty, illiberal ideology" is winning...

The fact that the US media didn't publish the cartoons is evidence of a media that can't be bothered anymore to do anything that isn't easy. But the cartoons are small small potatoes compared to the absymal failure of the American media to cover much of what has gone on in America for the past 6 years. Why do you expect anything different? Or do you have a different standard for coverage of "Islamofascism," as compared to homegrown, American, Christian fascism?

And again...would someone, maybe you, maybe one of your fellow Islamophobes, explain to me how, exactly, radical Islam is poised to threaten everything that is America? Because the only threat I keep seeing in radical Islam is that it breeds terrorists -- as does most radical/fundamentalism of all ilks -- and it provides a very convenient boogeyman with which distinctly NON-Muslim neocons, Zionists and hysterics can threaten, attempt to control, and profit off of me and other Americans).

So, GoldenBoy, how bout it...we're waiting for the logical, practical explanation of how the troops of Islam are poised to take over America, kill all the gays, enslave all the women and force us all into dhimmitude...

--Aruru