(Of course, I was trying to love the lord ... but bare nakid ladies kept walking in.)

much ado, :

bah.

Nobody is trying to skirt the issue of how evil Islam is and what is at its core, and all that rubbish.

Point is: fear of some crazy ideology, be it evil or benign, does not dictate who we are! Get it? They can be as evil as your equally evil imagination makes them out to be, but that does not define us. They can't touch us. We are not in mortal danger. We want to preserve our constitution. We want to be governed by laws. We won't give up our freedoms and our decency no matter how much hate & fear you can muster up.

You want to fight Islam for the sake of fighting Islam, go ahead. You hate them so much you want to smite every last one, go ahead. You've met your match in Osama & Co.

Don't drag the rest of the country into your crusade.

Certain people on these threads are so filled with hatred that they literally obsess over a religion practiced (with varying degrees of fidelity) by 1.565 billion people. So the question becomes, "what is the best way to deal with all these Muslims?" The people who seem MOST concerned with the problem are usually the ones most likely to advocate warfare as an appropriate response to the problem. I personally consider that prospect insane but I have difficulty with killing small animals let alone a large fraction of all humanity.

Others are less troubled by the prospect.

I personally like the idea expressed upthread, that if you are living well in a free and open society, you might find that people would care to emulate your example. If further you refrain from indiscrimanently killing the coreligionists of the people you are trying to impress, you might have better results with the assimilation effort.

If that means that I've thrown my lot in with the Salonistas then so be it. It beats genocide.

You will notice that no one here will be able to refute the truth of Islam's doctrine or origins...

That is precisely accurate. No one here will be able to refute to truth of Islam's doctrine or origins, because no one here will be able to affirm it, either.

But the FrontPageMag stinkoes are welcome to come here and try to convince people that their deep yearnings to bomb Moozlims the world over and turn more nations into the warlord chaos hell into which Afghanistan (the first time when Reagan built up the mujahedeen whose offspring actually carried out 9/11 thanks to the Republicans' distaste for actual national security issues) and Iraq have been made.

And they can really, really try to be taken seriously when they claim that their lunatic warlord policies are really all about saving teh gays.

But they'd have far more success arguing that 'no one here will be able to refute the truth of [Christianity, Paganism, Buddhism, etc.]'s doctrine or origin,' because this blog generally deals with real world issues and topics, rather than religious dogmas.

Plus, few here besides the visiting stinkoes are quite as sexually stimulated by the perfidy of Islam as they are.

I believe different Christian sects were still trying to kill one another as recently as the trouble in Northern Ireland not too many years ago.

That is a non sequitur. The fact remains that some Muslims killed a Western filmmaker, and a Western author had his life nearly destroyed when a fatwa was placed on his head. Several of his translators (or others associated with the novel) were murdered. Westerners feared showing those Cartoons even after they indisputably came to have high news value.

Opposing lunatics such as Roger Simon or Glenn Reynolds surely need not entail denial of the serious chilling of speech (through terror) some Muslims engender.

Christian Terrorist Cell Caught in Texas

Tuesday July 10, 2007

While the American government continues to try keeping people afraid of brown, foreign, Muslim terrorists, it may be that home-grown terrorist cells made up of white Christians have been developing. In Texas, an informal group of extremist Christians decided to burn down a church — and a conservative evangelical church at that — because they allegedly object to the existence of multiple denominations and want to glorify God.

Cmdr. Chris Havens, the Police Department spokesman, said the suspects boasted about belonging to a leaderless group of 10 or 15 who share a belief that society has become too focused on self-improvement and self-gratification and has lost focus on the glorification of God.

"They admit to being Christian and being brought up Christian, but they believe there should be one denomination and one church, not multiple denominations," Havens said. "They did not say they had a name for their group, other than they were a radical Christian activist group. That was the way they explained their group," he said. ...

The three admitted to being in a core group of seven that created the explosive weapon as a test to draw attention to the demise of society and to see whether the device would work, Havens said. "They believe that the past generations have accumulated trash and are responsible for making younger generations clean up their mess," he said. "They're trying to make a statement and get society's attention regarding that."

Source: Star-Telegram

Christianity is supposed to be a religion of peace, yet Christians are quite capable of becoming violent terrorists in the right conditions — rather like adherents of another popular "religion of peace." Christians often like to think of themselves and their religion as too exceptional to fall victim to acts of barbaric cruelty, but the inescapable fact is that the past and texts of their religion are already full of barbaric cruelty. It would be remarkable if contemporary Christians were completely free of it all.

A consistent message from the Christian Right in recent years has been the two-pronged promotion of Christian Supremacy and attacks on religious pluralism. Christian Supremacism is the ideology that Christianity alone should define public institutions, cultural institutions, laws, politics, and government. The attacks on religious pluralism is an attempt to reduce any influence and power of both religions other than Christianity and Christian denominations which do not adhere closely to the extremist line set by far-right Christian leaders.

Both the promotion of Christian Supremacy and the attacks on religious pluralism are fundamental to what is broadly known as the Culture Wars. For the Christian Right, the label "Culture Wars" is not entirely metaphorical. Most terrorist attacks occurred against abortion providers and gay rights organizations. Even earlier attacks were made against members of the Civil Rights movements. Now, some Christians are even turning on each other.

This isn't the least bit surprising for an extremist movement which defines itself, at least in large part, by it's "purity" and strict adherence to an unquestionable dogma. Every such movement inevitably turns inwards against its own members because there are always plenty who are not "pure" enough and "holy" enough to be acceptable in the New Order. Of course, this usually only happens in earnest after most of the other enemies have been decisively eliminated (except for those who exist purely for propaganda purposes) and new enemies (or scapegoats) are needed. If there is anything surprising, then, it's that Christian terrorism against other Christians — and very conservative Christians in particular — is occurring now.

The Victory Family Church, ironically enough, was in the news just a few days earlier for their own aggressive tactics (correction: this was a different Victory Family Church - this appears to be a popular name in Texas).

I do not know whether they have ever supported violent Christian extremism, such as that on display in Milwaukee on July 29 when extremist Christian groups will honor Paul Hill as a hero:

On July 29th, 1994, Paul Hill boldly defended 31 babies from unspeakable violence by killing a paid assassin and his bodyguard. He was arrested, given a sham trial, and executed as a martyr. On the 13th anniversary of Paul Hill’s act of love and mercy, memorial events will be held in Milwaukee, Wisconsin to honor him as God’s man and our hero...

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/259243.htm

Sunday, June 17, 2007

Christian Terrorist supporters to celebrate the terrorist Paul Hill

Digby has warned us that the "Christian" groups who opposed abortion plan a four day long celebration of the terrorist Martyr Paul Hill in Milwaukee, WI in late July.

This from Talk to Action:

Our winners [of the Theocrat of the Week award] this week plan to reenact the the actions of theocratic martyr Paul Hill next month in Milwaukee. On July 29, 1994 Paul Hill, who sought to set a good example for Christian theocratic revolutionaries, assasinated abortion provider Dr. John Britton and James Barrett one of his escorts, and seriously wounding another, June Barrett, outside an abortion clinic in Pensacola, Florida.

George L. Wilson of Children Need Heroes and Drew Heiss of Street Preach are planning to honor Paul Hill in a series of events called "Paul Hill Days" in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, July 26th - 29th -- "to honor him as God's man and our hero."

http://politicsplusstuff.blogspot.com/2007/06/christian-terrorist-supporters-to.html

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/homegrown-terrorists-by-digby-from.html