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Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:00 AM

The mainstream, sane, serious Joe Lieberman

An alliance between the Connecticut senator and pastors such as John Hagee reveals much about the Beltway mainstream.

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Friday, July 27, 2007 03:43 AM

Dierk

Mind, I am not reading and interpreting you like this [should be obvious from my past letters, especially the first one in this thread]; I am just saying it can be done. And believe, it is done in Germany often enough, attenuated by the fact that many actual anti-Semites here find our allegiance to Israel 'outrageous'.

-- Dierk Haasis

Yeah, and Al Gore saying, "I took the initiative in creating the internet" can be taken as him saying he "invented the internet" if liars and lazy so called journalists choose to write it that way. Or, if then lazy and or disingenuous pundits and lazy or disingenuous so called journalists keep the lie going, well then, that's how "it can be done".

Now, if people should choose to be honest and not purposely distort or completely misrepresent another's words, well then, the lie won't find it's way around the world before the truth gets it's socks on.

So what's your point, Deirk? Beware of dishonest pundits twisting one's meanings? No shit, Sherlock, what's new?

Friday, July 27, 2007 04:15 AM

Hagee

Hagee as Moses? I want to puke. Just f***ing puke.

The only thing sicker their "end of days" bullshit. I worry that as they see ALL of this as leading up to their "armageddon" and they'll see themselves as doing the work of "God" when they push the button.

This is a sick, sick, sick, mythology. Glenn, you are SO RIGHT to bring this up.

This should be Moore's next documentary and he needs to get it done, quick. Even when the Dems are back in power, these a**holes will still be about their task. At least we'll have a president who understands the value and strength of the Patriot Act and all of the wire-tapping and stuff. We'll use their own weapons AGAINST THEM. Imagine the uproar when Hagee just vanishes into.....

OOPS! I forgot that people are going to treat whatever I say as representative of the "Loony Left"...... Or like my ideas are Glenn's ideas. Hell no. I'm not THAT smart, or calm...

Sorry - Peace! Love!

Friday, July 27, 2007 05:52 AM

Carl from L.A.

Thank you for this:

God, I hope that the people who read Lieberman's garbage do not think it represents the thinking of any but the most minute fringe in Israel.

I never met anybody in Israel who believed this sort of junk.

I am US/Israeli dual-citizen. That is my experience, too. To all,

Shalom,

Gordon Ginsberg

Friday, July 27, 2007 05:55 AM

Carl from L.A.

It's very much like the Right Wing Authoritarian minority in the States noisily driving this agenda which has been puzzling to the sensible busy majority who struggle for a good meaningful life the best way they know how.

Friday, July 27, 2007 07:20 AM

@ Carl from LA and Gordon

I'm jumping in late here, but thanks for your contribution. The most important fact that needs to be pointed out about Lieberman isn't just that his desires represent the desires of only the extreme right fringe within Israel, but also that they are NOT in the best interests of Israel. With Hagee, he is buying into a narrative that involves Israel in endless wars with her neighbors, wars that she is 'pre-ordained' to lose. That is good for Israel, how? Criticizing that narrative makes one an anti-semite, how?

Friday, July 27, 2007 08:28 AM

@Anonymous @2:27AM

Glenn is Jewish

So I don't think you can convincingly make the argument he is an anti-semite. Polemicists and propagandists do make those arguments about Jews (self-hating Jews) but I find them unconvincing nonsense. So Glenn is not a Zionist and has no bias in favoor of Israel or against Palestine. His only obvious bias is what is in his opinion best for his homeland, America.

--Anonymous

Look, Anonymous, I know what you mean here, and I respect the spirit in which you wrote it. But as a non-Jew, I do have to say a certain part of me takes offense to the notion that if I had registered the opinions Glenn had registered, it would somehow have been okay to at least level charges of anti-Semitism at me, and the burden would have been on me to disprove them.

That might not seem prejudiced or racist, but at its root it sort of is.

Friday, July 27, 2007 08:42 AM

Serious Joe

What more does Joe Lieberman have to do before the media and the people who voted for him will realize that he is more interested in promoting Isreal than the interests of the US?

Friday, July 27, 2007 08:43 AM

Get It Straight

The people who oppose Zionism and Israel's policies are all anti-semitic. And the people who opposed apartheid-era South Africa and its policies are all anti-white.

Friday, July 27, 2007 09:14 AM

Lieberthing and Palestine

Israel is the sum of world guilt for allowing the holocaust to occur. Europeans jews had no more right to Palestine than European had to "discover" America. They just took it. Lieberthing's jewishness is not his most salient feature; that would be cowardice.

Friday, July 27, 2007 09:34 AM

Semites, anti- and pro-

Americans know that Israelis aren't the only Semites, right? I know the Israel lobby's debate-halting "anti-Semite" slur has been used as if Israel owned a trademark on Semitism, but Arabs are Semites, too.

Hell, most of Southwestern Asia is culturally and racially Semitic -- many millions of Semites there, not just the Israelis. Seems like it's been trotted out to simply and swiftly derail any discussion of politics in the region, and it's been done for many decades.

Perhaps the Israelis' long-term security would be better served finding common cause with their Semitic Muslim cousins than allying itself militarily and diplomatically with a gentile nation from across the sea.

Just crazy talk, I know, I know.

Friday, July 27, 2007 11:18 AM

@slackie

Arabs are Semites, but the word "anti-Semitism" was coined specifically to refer to hatred of Jews, not of other people who happen to speak a Semitic language. Anti-Semitism does not mean hatred of Phoenicians or Tigrays or Babylonians.

Given that Jew-hatred is a prominent and distinct phenomenon in the Western mind (and the Islamic mind) it it sensible that it gets its own distinction. Muddying the linguistic waters does not serve intellectual honesty.

Friday, July 27, 2007 01:01 PM

Greenwald ROCKS!

Over and over and over Greenwald consistently and with great clarity, knowledge and style continues to hit all the righteous nails DIRECTLY on the head in exposing and commenting on the absolute hypocrisy and shameless whoring that has gripped Washington and this nation's TRUE "elite" - the corporations and political hacks that care only about maintaining power and profits at the expense of the rule of law, the Constitution, or average Americans. Keep up the GREAT work Glen!!!!!!

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