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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:00 AM

Standards of American justice under George W. Bush

A New York Times Op-Ed by a U.S. military prosecutor seeking to defend the humane conditions at Guantánamo proves the exact opposite point.

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Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:50 PM

@Platypus

Shooter -- "but he isn't a priority at the moment."

Gee, I had no idea that you folks were so hot to pursue OBL after six years. My most humble apologies for doubting your sincerity. If you can tell us whether he's actually alive, and where he's hiding in all the Muslim world, I'll bet we could coax the Army to go after him. Heh.

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:48 PM

typical Greenwald

So, to recap: we imprison someone for life with no charges

And what would the "charges" be? An enemy soldier, captured on the battlefield fighting against our forces, is not a criminal to be charged with violating this statute or that. He is an enemy of our country--a prisoner of war.

Should WWII have gone on for, say, 30 years, we would have been perfectly justified in holding our German and Japanese POWs during that duration without charging them with anything.

More typical of Greenwald is his complete failure to mention that Taliban fighters were trained to claim they were tortured if captured. We found those training documents in Afghanistan. But Greenwald, typically, believes the claims of the men who would kill him in an instant for (a) being and American and (b) being Jewish instead of those who are defending his right to publish this absolute crap.

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:48 PM

Imagine

Imagine if someone said that sex offenders shouldn't be monitored because they've served their time.

Actually, our nation's laws regarding sex offenders against children are a confused mishmash that actually serve as a deterrent against disclosure, and I believe a court has already ruled that the state cannot add monitoring to someone convicted prior to such a law being passed for ex post facto reasons.

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:46 PM

Responding to Colonel Davis

If you would like to comment on Colonel Davis' op-ed, try this link: http://www.defenselink.mil/faq/comment.html

I suggest politely asking Colonel Davis to respond to Glenn's post.

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:43 PM

Magical Liberal

There are people paying attention to all these things and there are people working to fix these things. Taking your approach you could never talk about anything. Why are you yelling about the death penalty when there are people in Gitmo, why are you yelling about people when the non violent drug users are locked up for no reason, why are you yelling about the drug users when the death penalty is so flawed. It isn't either/or, you can pay attention to all these things and work to fix them. Liberals aren't one big magical, infinite creature, they're a community of millions working to improve the world they live in individually, in groups and in groups of groups.

Or, if you truly believe that the magical infinite liberal can fix all problems simultaneously, why hasn't it happened

Because Conservatives stand in the way. Because Conservatives are frightened, impotent creatures who are certain DOOM is around the corner and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it except freeze everything exactly the way it is now or better still, return to a mythical golden time which never actually existed or even better still, return to the caves.

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:43 PM

"heh" indeed

"*Is there anything about bringing terrorists to justice as unimportant? No."

Except for the fact that the entire post was an argument stating why it's NOT important to bring bin Laden to justice. Or is bin Laden NOT a terrorist?

I think it's time you went to play another round of golf to support our troops in Iraq. You and Christopher Hitchens can drink a martini at the country club as a toast to them. (In Hitchens' case, make that several martinis.)

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:40 PM

"Heh"

I think the peanut gallery can distinguish what I said, from what you want to hear. Heh.

-- shooter242

Umm, let me think about it for a minute.

Yep. Sounded about right to me. The comment was indistinguishable from your comment."Heh".

By the way, Shooter...is the "heh" thing a tick? Like winking or flinching at inappropriate moments just because you can't help yourself?

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:38 PM

Torquemada would be proud

Torture, coercion, confessions extracted under duress, then the use of those documents to justify the atrocity...

This is the Inquisition, plain and simple. It's this type of behavior that eventually led to the great uprisings of the eighteenth century, including the French and American revolutions. Horrifying is not a strong enough word. This administration is behaving like the worst of the Renaissance tyrants, pretending to be great and compassionate while actually engaging in the vilest of human vices - the lust to control others at any cost, the lust to gain wealth, and the disregard for any sanctity other than that which will benefit them. These people are a blight on humanity, and they are covering the rest of the nation in their filth by association. It's no wonder we're no longer seen as the heroes of the world, with despicable behavior like this.

When I was a kid, I used to be proud of being an American. It's been so many years since I felt that.

I miss that feeling.

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:32 PM

this is not really about the Death Penalty

It's about where you think the greatest ills exist. It's all well and good to slash out eleventy trillion articles about Gitmo. But let's be clear. It's because it serves a rhetorical point in order to accomplish something else. Imagine if someone said that sex offenders shouldn't be monitored because they've served their time. Imagine the hue and cry that would arise. So let's put Gitmo in perspective against the backdrop of millions of US citizens in the US who are strangely ignored or marginalized. Let's just call the noise about Gitmo, cherry picking. Or, if you truly believe that the magical infinite liberal can fix all problems simultaneously, why hasn't it happened?

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:31 PM

Shooter

damn you're dumb. I posted the relevant sections. If people wanted to read the entire exchange, they just needed to go back and read your post! Do you not know how the little page links work?

If you have an example of that with a real live actual quote that hasn't been cut and pasted out of context, feel free to provide it for us.

I already did. This was in context. Perhaps you should go look up the word "context" Have someone read it to you. Then have them explain what they've read.

Since you're an imbicile, unable to do the most basic tasks, or remember anything you've said (you're probably wondering why I'm talking to you now, it is called a response, you said something to me and I'm "responding"), here you go:

Don't you think the mastermind of 9/11 should be caught and punished? Why aren't you up in arms over the administration's inaction on this front? I mean, Bush has made it as clear as he ever makes anything that he doesn't think bin Laden is a priority; but to me, his crime was pretty heinous.-- orbitboy

It certainly was, but he isn't a priority at the moment unless of course, he goes to Iraq. Besides, the reality is, that if he were actually captured and brought to the US, a smart lawyer like John Edwards could get him off with time served. Then he would probably go on the lecture circuit and make a pile of money like Clinton did. Only Republicans go to jail.--shooter242

So go ahead, claim that's not what you said. Pretend I posted as you or that you don't remember. Wait, are you Gonzalez? The two of you seem to have similar comprehension and memory problems.

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