How ever you two and all other's do it, you sure do it.

I guess and hope this brilliant and intentional expose of our media by a lawyer did not cause any coronary implosions in the diverse readership.

Karen M. I am happy-to-you. Don't get me acting goofy or I'll begin to comment on one-year old post with hopes no one reads or snoops around for old musty concealed letters. For Example: (one year latter, hidden in the Salon's dead letter section, this:) Me to You! "Thanks to all! I just posted on a year old male-bebop-o's old goat dairy's diary." gads.

Karen M. Your names bring back memories. You don't think we can't love in the first grade? huh. hush. I was in love with a girl named Karen Harmony. Honest. We love many. Love is vast. Love is big. We love and go our way. Love is memory. Love is harmony.

Thanks for letting me convey that thought on my Court day. Tell your W.P. 'hubby' I think he has a honey bunny?

P.S. I go to no-wee in a jar for my P?P- guy - Today. no sir, P&P monitor, and to Judge Miss Ambrose, Merci? I not make this P&P testimony up. The days are goofy!

Matters of Scale--Bottom Line. This is Sorta on Topic?

In the publication 'World Watch' - Vision for a sustainable world, the July/August back page has a photo of 9-toilets, and I kid you not. They are used commodes. One is for sale for $10.00. The amazing statistics recorded and compiled for our information come from: CIA WORLD Fact Book, Annual Consumption: European Tissue Symposium. Toilet Access: WHO/UNICEF Joint Monitoring Program for Water Supply and Sanitation.

HERE are a few 'stats' to "memorilize" in a goofy world:

Estimated sales of toilet paper in the United States (2005) was.....US$5.7 billion.

Canada.....US$643 million.

India......US$7.7 million.

You can ponder more on a 'crapper' the Per capita annual figs.

Percentage of people with access to adequate sanitary 'seats' (in congress- I tease now, so I'll soon scram) toilets in the U.S.... 100%

Canada.....100%

India.....33%

Ethipia.....13%

Eritrea and Chad.....9%

HERE I was beginning to I had everything a 'dirty' 'ole codger need or want! Wish USA and a small World the "L" word. LUCK!

There is a new word fron YKW on the front of the Salon page. Great.

I read somewhere that there was a head slivered from the body frame long ago. The head rolled off with such a pleasant countenance the executioners team wept and changed their life.

Farmer John had me go read 'I come before Dawn' by the Persian poet Rumi (I'll type old fashion lead pencil style to save space).

*..."I come before dawn to chain you and drag you off." It;s amazing, and funny, that you have to be pulled away from being tortured, pulled out into this Spring garden, but that's the way it is.

Almost everyone must be bound and dragged here. Only a few come on their own. Children have to be made to go to school at first, then some of them begin to like it. They run to school. They expand their learning. Later, they receive money because of something they've learned at school. and they get really excited. They stay up all night, as watchful and alive as thieves!

Remember the rewards you get for being obedient!

There are two types on the path Those who come against their will, the blindly religious people, and those who obey out of love. The former have ulterior motives. They want the midwife near, because she gives them milk. The other love the bounty of the nurse.

The former memorize the proof-text of conformity, and repeat them. The latter disappear into whatever draws them to God (Nature). Both are drawn from the source. Any movers from the mover. Any love from the beloved.*

P.S. Metaphors can be rough, raw, and unacceptable to refined taste. Rumi uses anything, no matter how scandalous or cruel or silly. A gourd serves as a flange. The purpose is to examine soul growth. The gourd is crafted as a metaphor that serves as a device to enter the woman's vagina just to the point of her pleasure but not far enough to harm her. We are learning? We are taught and we teach. Thanks Father John. I farm too. I sin. I get forgiven. I sin and get forgiven? I'll sin again till the day I give up the 'ghost' I sure hope. The joy of being forgiven makes little harmless sinning so much good fun?

Yes.

Great!

As far as Bucky1, I've missed too much of the prior commentaries to understand the vituperativeness of the responses in both directions, so I'll withhold judgment,

This constitutes "success" for Bucky1.

It illustrates the old dictum: never argue with a fool. People might not be able to tell the difference.

except on one thing: why the strong interest in which candidate other people here are backing (assuming everyone has made up their mind, which I suspect is not a safe assumption)?

It's merely the most durable example of his tendency towards idees fixe. He does not discuss so much as pontificate.

You stray into projection by assigning motives to why people are not saying who they'll back.

Nail on the head, dude. Nail on the head.

It's also where all the anger came from. Honest disagreement is beyond him, so he quickly turns abusive towards those he disagrees with. After awhile, their civility wears thin as well. At first, people are taken in, because he's angry at the same thing they're angry about.

But his anger is bottomless, unfocused, and ultimately all he has to offer. Check out his unwillingness/inability to present rational counter-arguments when challenged.

My big beef with him came when I pointed out that LBJ got us involved in Vietnam against his will, citing A Grand Delusion: America's Descent Into Vietnam by Robert Mann--the only book I know so far that looks at Vietnam through the lens of Senate history. (The reason I bring it up is because I think that Dems now are making the same mistake Johnson made, for similar reasons. Santayana. Yadda, yadda, yadda.)

While Mann's explanation--Johnson's own experience of the Dems loosing power over Korea, and fear of renewed McCarthyism sweeping them away--is certainly debateable, (1) Bucky1 did not debate the argument, he attacked me for making it, as if the obscene carnage of Vietnam made any argument about its origins that Bucky1 didn't like obscene by association, (2) but the fact to be explained--Johnson's unwilling entry into Vietnam--is by now well-documented, and beyond dispute, and that is what really set Bucky1 off, since his underlying argument is that Dems are warmongers indistinguishable from Republicans.

Bucky1 even went so far--as L.W.M. pointed out--to link to a web post, and scholarly paper (in PDF) to counter me, except that it makes virtually the same argument I was making (though more focused simply on his inability to get his Great Society programs passed, rather than losing power altogether).

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/06/18/tragic_legacy/permalink/3bfb375ebea30c6f21718a32e7c619a4.html

Also, if you check out Bucky1's comment, AND the link he provides, you'll see he gets two other things wrong as well: it's not about "a new documentary on LBJ," but a scholarly paper, and it's not "From the far left," but from Francis Bator, LBJ's Deputy National Security Adviser.

In short, Bucky1 is utterly careless with--if not contemptuous of--facts, just as he is with people.

But watch for yourself, and draw your own conclusions.