@Anonymous: don't you wonder how many of the very same people who argue that Libby should be pardoned lobbied vociferously for Clinton's impeachment?

I'm going to guess: all of them.

And, since their hypocrisy knows no bounds, I'm going to guess that most, if not all, of them at the time insisted that it "wasn't the sex, it was the lying"...

This is funny. How many in this group have had anything, anything at all, positive to say about Bush, conservatives, or Republicans? None, I would venture.

I have nice things to say about some folks who call themselves conservatives, and I have plenty of nice things to say about the brand of conservatism that cares for the Constitution and the freedom this country has been working towards since the beginning.

I got nothing nice to say about Bush because he thinks killing and torturing and grabbing power are good things, and I've got nothing nice to say about Republicans because they haven't snapped out of it and quit agreeing with him yet.

Damn, what a lefty moonbat I am! If only my brain wasn't poisoned at University by those pinko Marxist professors!

Hell, even liberal folks like Bucky get blasted for not following the party line sufficiently. There is no independence here, just different hues of leftist orthodoxy.

Is that why I'm here, coz I'm such a big leftist? I'm not afraid of people disagreeing with me, it doesn't make me bitter or scared like it apparently does you. "Oh boo hoo, da libruls maded me feel bad."

I'll debate anyone, because I am arguing from my best efforts to understand the world as it is and not what I want it to be. Why won't you? Do you know deep down how far from reason you've strayed?

Chavez would be proud of this group.

Yeah, nobody cares about Chavez except you reichnuts. He doesn't really affect any of our lives here directly. He's only an issue because the TV told you he was. (Oh, I'm way more interested in America than France, too, before you get ahead of yourself.)

Plugging in the term "William Jefferson" in the Salon search engine produces 301 hits on Salon alone, including "Jefferson Must Go" from late May 2006, and this one most recently (Monday 6/4/07):

Feds Reportedly Seeking Jefferson Indictment Today

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/06/04/jefferson/index.html?source=rss

So, hope that makes you happy - the score is now Republicans 257 or so, Democrats 1.

Perhaps you could actually, ummm, you know, look something up before you make an asinine accusation like that next time?

No? I didn't think so...it's always easier to just fire off an unsubstantiated accusation, isn't it?

Like all good Republicans, he has principles*.

*sometimes

(specifically, principles can be dropped in times when they don't help him and his cronies---see rule of law ...

Yeah, kinda like Nancy Pelosi talking about cleaning up Washington while working in an exception to a labor/minimum wage law for a meat-packing company in her district.

Or kinda like that Dem congressman caught with buckets 'o cash that just somehow found its way into his freezer.

Kinda like Dem senator Harry Reid doing favors for Jack Abramoff.

Kinda like ...

Geez, what's the point.

I think one tremendously positive thing Bush Jr. may have done is to have finally ended America's romantic involvement with the putrid rotting legacy of the right wing, pseudo-revolutionary "Reagan revolution."

They can't get away from it.

The Reaganites and the post-Reaganites promised that their ideas, their plans, their schemes would work if only given a chance.

Well, They Got Their Chance.

They had absolute, unchallenged power. The ultra-right wing nut squad finally got their hands on the Presidency, the Supreme Court, the Congress, a majority of State Governorships, I believe a majority of State Legislatures.

They had untrammeled worship directed at them from the major news media. The so-called mainstream news media sat on stories of law-breaking by the President and endlessly promoted reporters, pundits, and editorials which fawned over the President and his insane squad's looniest ideas.

They had their hands on everything which before they had promised had they ever gotten their hands on, they would have set everything 'right'.

And after having possessed maximal, boundless, unchallenged power, they failed.

They threw their agenda hard against the American public, and the public bought it, by a hair, for a moment. But then the globby mass started to unstick itself from the public, and as it slowly gooped its way to the ground, it left a fetid slime trail which the public recognized as dead and offensive matter.

Even their idiotic grassroots followers know that they were betrayed -- the IRS still exists, the Bible isn't back in school, hip hop music still sounds on the airwaves, the Mexicans are still here...

...and worst of all, these bold and beautiful Neo-Fascist Warriors led a majestic war of nobility and tanned and bronzed chests which broke out in the pathetic stink-fest it now is, and the one, the only, the last remaining justification for their claims to Warrior Leadership School washed down the drain.

The Republicans revealed themselves to be failures in the arena of war and martial values. And one good thing we know about popular fascist movements is when they are revealed for their military weakness, their vaunted authoritarian majesty vanishes.

Ha. Ha. Ha. Suffer in your shame and humiliation, O Ye Warriors Who Would Not Serve.

WORST OF ALL: THEY CAN'T BLAME A-N-Y-O-N-E ELSE.

They had absolute, total, unquestioned power. And they were rejected. They were Reagan II, same ideas, twice the steroids, none of the tranquilizers.

And they just hate it. They can't conceive of it. Why aren't people loving them? They had it all!! They were supposed to be loved, to be strong forever!! Everyone hates liberals!! Everyone loves conservatives!! How can they not like us anymore?

Oh, don't get me wrong. There will be a right wing in this country. There may be even the beginnings of a new popular fascist movement among the most-betrayed feeling grassroots right wingers who are obsessed with "illegal immigrants" when it means "brown" and who are actually working class people deeply betrayed by their elites who outsourced their bright futures.

But no longer can they play this game that, "Well, our ideas and bright and brilliant and beautiful and will make America that happy land of the 1920s or 1950s again, if only we had power."

They had power. They had ultimate power. They had complete power. And they tried every one of their crazy ideas and failed openly, publicly, embarassingly.

Enjoy it. It couldn't happen to a worse group of cruel, heartless pseudo-patriots.