It's sadder still that you have effectively hijacked every conversation since you arrived... You do a mighty fine David Brooks imitation, Mr. Bucky. The presentation is so civilize, erudite and practically avuncular that it takes most people a while to realize how outrageous the content really is.

It is quite similar to another troll that used to populate Think Progress a few years back, right after they had just started. His name was Buckshot (the similarity gave me pause), but he had a different cover story or legend. He claimed he was from Alaska. This one claims to come from the south. The truth was he was from Montana and he was like one of those Freemen, and actual Gordon Kahl. Someone (maybe me) tracked down some information on him. I don't have the links but he had quite a reputation for making trouble with his various on-line personas. He eventually moved on, or was banned. Long time ago. Definitely had the polite and unassuming racist/fascist/bigot thing down. He fooled people for quite some time. This is where most of his arguments came from:

http://home.ddc.net/ygg/

@Mona

Ron Paul as many have noted, including Glenn, is the one Republican the authoritarian majority in the GOP is trying to stifle. They want him out of the debates, and they remove his name from online polls, because he wins them. Paul once ran on the Libertarian Party ticket, and he is the only real libertarian in the GOP congressional delegation. He was one of only 7 GOP Congressmen who did not vote for the MCA.

He is anti-war, anti-torture, and would repeal The Patriot Act.

Ron Paul is "L" American Libertarian Party Libertarian. You guys aren't real libertarians and the Constitution isn't a libertarian document. It has the word "welfare" in it.

"Libertarianism originated in the philosophy of a left-wing French political philosopher who also influenced Karl Marx."

The French Philosopher in question is, as some of you have guessed (and with whose description a few of you are no doubt ready to quibble), Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, who famously penned the Libertarians’ Sekrit Motto, "Property is Theft." Of course unlike modern Libertarians, Proudhon meant that as a condemnation. Among the pre-Marxist political thinkers strongly influenced by Proudhon was Johann Kaspar Schmidt, who under the pen name Max Stirner wrote one of the first true capital-L Libertarian texts, Der Einzige und sein Eigentum, which can be translated either as "The Ego and Its Own" or, more literally and more tellingly, "The Individual And His Property." Stirner became a nucleus of a nascent school of political thought then called "individualist anarchism,"*** whose inheritance-tax-free heirs include Ludwig Von Mises, The Austrian and Chicago Schools, Murray Rothbard, Alan Greenspan, and so on.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/27/15718/5328

The term was was coined by a French communist anarchist named De Jacque.

Sure you did. Right up until the last few hours in which you Googled to find Lenin or some other odious historical figure with whihc to link some person at Cato, in this case a guy who was discussing social security reform in 1983, and thus announce they are as much a Leninist cabal as the neocons.

Getting a bit testy, aren't you? I suppose I don't blame you. I've known about that little gem since long before 2004 and "reform" is a polite word for it. How Orwellian of you. Cato is pro-government as long as government is good for business. The minute government starts screwing with business, Cato is no longer pro-government, until "the business" can resume. Like a capo de tutti capi goes to war too much or just doesn't enforce the peace? Bad for business, he'll get whacked by the other capos, or his underboss and caporegimes. A new capo who keeps the peace? That's good for business.

If you are working on the difference between logical steps and metaphoric insight, why do you try to turn the metaphors into logical steps before accepting them? Proving you aren't a Turing machine?

Ah, yes! But only if what seems infinitely complex is really infinitely complex, it seems. Maybe it is, hence the fans.

I am also running out of ways to rejoin topic, unless the Beaches of Brazil is relevant. It was a paper to foil a USG eavesdropping attempt to smear a -- dat dadah -- liberal who protested a war. Does that count?

More later? I have to run.

http://sideshow.me.uk/sjun07.htm#06080230

Friday, 08 June 2007 . . . The problem of course, is that Bush has upheld the principles of the conservative movement, and all of these so-called conservatives who are suddenly so disappointed in him had been cheering him on all along while he did all these things they supposedly didn't like. And the thing is, they still haven't repudiated the actual policies - just the outcome . . .

. . . It's all very well to say in hindsight that Bush didn't run the war and occupation competently, that there should have been more troops at the outset, that we somehow should have warred harder or whatever it is they think would have been "competent", but what none of them are saying is that (a) you would have needed a draft to have enough troops to do it up right, (b) this would have been even more expensive, and (c) outsourcing to private firms was still too expensive.

They aren't complaining about the lack of a draft, and they have never complained about the Bush-Cheney program of giving Halliburton et al. far more money than it would have cost just to let the army do the same things . . .

http://sideshow.me.uk/sjun07.htm#06080230

in case anybody's looking for a place that might be on-topic.

Mona wrote:

"And yet, during the last debate, and even tho he was the only Ob-Gyn on the panel, when asked what was the worst evil of the moment, the chorus from the others was abortion.

"Paul said it was the war."

Actually, Paul's was a more comprehensive and penetrating answer. He said that the greatest evil we currently face is the "doctrine of pre-emptive war."

It was telling that he was the only candidate on the stage with the humanity and the courage to so identify that hideously evil neo-con contribution to realpolitik that has resulted in 650,000 + premature American and Iraqi deaths since 2003, which death toll threatens to dramatically increase with additional wars of aggression against Iran and other impediments to American imperialism in the Middle East, and which may very well lead to a world-wide nuclear conflagration

Can anyone name a single greater evil in any government's tool box of satanic instruments?

I'm at a loss to.

KR