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Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:00 AM

Large number of Americans favor violent attacks against civilians

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Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:25 AM

Is there really a difference...

...between deliberately attacking civilians and being willing to kill civilians as collateral damage, when you know there is a 100% chance that some civilians will die as a result of your attacks on military targets? In both cases, the attackers justify their actions by assuming some greater good will result from the deaths. We attack Iraq knowing full well that civilians will die, and we justify those deaths with lies and deceit. This is a fact. It has happened. Yet, some polling numbers hypothetically indicating that some American Muslims might support civilian attacks is looked at as if it indicates a great danger from this group. Hello, right wingers, the American government has killed thousands of innocent Muslim civilians. The American Muslims surveyed have killed no one. So who is most dangerous? Who is most to be feared? And who is more depraved?

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:25 AM

Scary

Piece by piece, everything necessary for a totalitarian police state is being put into place.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:26 AM

Beating War Drums for Iran?

Could this be part of an effort to build support for an attack on Iran to change the subject here at home? Another wag the dog moment?

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:29 AM

It just means you're wrong a different way

If American Muslims are significantly less inclined to approve of violence against civilians than are Americans as a whole, it must mean that they're lying to pollsters in order to hide their intentions.

This is just more evidence of their evil intentions. If you can't see that, you must hate America and support the terrorists. All true Americans already know the TRUTH (TM), so polls must, in some way, support that truth no matter what they say.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:30 AM

Danger to the world

According to Bush supporters, these poll results indicate that Americans should be afraid, because a small percentage of Muslims approve of attacks on citizens.

By this logic, since a much larger percentage of Americans approve of attacks on civilians, the rest of the world should be even more afraid of us than we are of them.

And they probably are.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:33 AM

"Christian terrorist plans bomb attack at Falwell funera!!!l"

...was curiously not the headline one saw from Malkin and her ilk, or from the mainstream news, despite the fact that:

Campbell County authorities arrested a Liberty University student for having several homemade bombs in his car. The student, 19-year-old Mark D. Uhl of Amissville, Va., reportedly told authorities that he was making the bombs to stop protesters from disrupting the funeral service.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3201543&page=1

So why is this not an example of Christian "jihadists"? Why doesn't this demonstrate that Christian "madrasahs" like Liberty U. are churning out terrorists? Why are the right-wingers silent about this plot?

So much for consistency...

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:34 AM

My French Communist relatives

Are still pretty hardcore and see nothing inherently wrong with the deaths of millions if it will mean the furtherance of their ideological goals either. If you want to make a scromblett then you have to break a few oeufs.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:41 AM

I agree with other posters here-

Polls are being manipulated by media and possible WH to further the rhetoric against Iran.

this is just more of the same.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:41 AM

I agree with other posters here-

Polls are being manipulated by media and possible WH to further the rhetoric against Iran.

this is just more of the same.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:42 AM

@ RealName

Cooking up fanciful Frenchman in the service of a thoroughly discredited viewpoint may seem devilishly clever to you, but unfortunately your ignorance of both the French and Communism betrays you. Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns have painted a sign of affliction on you that can be read for miles.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:50 AM

Re: "the threat of homegrown jihad"...

Yes. Well. Certainly we've known this in our bones for a long, long time. There is a persistent threat to the domestic peace and tranquility from a cohort of religious and ideological nutjobs, almost all of whom are concentrated on the authoritarian right. Domestic terrorism has been going on sporadically (and sometimes spectacularly) for many, many years, and almost all of it is rooted in the ideological and/or religious nut-job authoritarian right.

And these are the same people -- oddly enough -- who are screaming loudest about the "existential threat" to America and Western Civilization Itself represented by the religious and ideological nutjobs among Islamic jihadi. How about that? They are one another's friendless kin.

Talk. About. Projection.

But note that in the whipped up fear and fury over the existential threat to the survival of Western Civilization represented by the relative handful of Islamic terrorist believers in the whole wide world, one could easily read the manifestos and calls to arms issued by the likes of Steyn and Malkin as somewhat clunky re-writes of any number of Anti-Jew screeds from the 1920's, both home grown and foreign.

Just replace references to Muslims with "Jews". There is no substantial difference between one form of Anti-Semitism and another. The whole point is that the very existence of these Semites (whether Jews or Muslims) is an existential threat to our own survival. Therefore, we -- as the inheritors of Civilization Itself -- must do whatever it takes to secure our way of life against these alien hordes.

Thankfully fewer people seem to be falling for it this time around, but as has been repeatedly demonstrated, it doesn't take a majority to subvert and capture control of a government to then use for whatever nefarious purposes desired.

If only we had an opposition party. But we -- still -- don't.

Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:56 AM

Theme runs throughout GOP

The bottom line hypocrisy here is that the Right Wing Authoritarians believe that one individual of a group they're not a member of represents every last member of the entire group. All aberant or anti-social behavior is then attributed to the group as a universal character trait. They believe this about Democrats, minorities, religions, imigrants, and every social group they're not a member of.

Yet when some Christian nut blows up a bomb at the Olympics or shoots a doctor with a high-powered rifle, he's just an anomaly-- a misunderstood hero that went a little overboard in his zeal to enforce their morality. When a Republican congresman lives on a yacht and drives a Rolls to work with the bribe money he's received, or a group of soldiers spontaneously create a torture wing in an Iraqi prison-- they're just bad apples that can be neatly picked out from among them. Democratic, minority, Muslim, African-American apples, meanwhile, have a tendency to spoil the the whole bunch.

My question is: do people like this naturally gravatate to the GOP, or does the GOP actively seek them out?

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