Letters to the Editor
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Mockery inappropriate
Well, I don't know. I think it's tasteless to make a mockery of the Right's cheerleading for war. War is, after all, a serious issue. The Politico writing about hair is mockable.
And, I don't think the Right sees the comparison to football cheerleaders as a negative. They only have cheerleading. They have, after all, no policy.
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@SomeNYGuy
According to Charles Krauthammer, this is no longer an issue:
George Tenet has a very mixed legacy. On the one hand, he presided over the two biggest intelligence failures of this era -- Sept. 11 and the WMD debacle in Iraq. On the other hand, his CIA did devise and carry out brilliantly an astonishingly bold plan to overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan.
That's from today's Washington Post. Let me repeat that. Not three years ago. Not two years ago. Not last year. Today.
Is there any way to win an argument when one's opponents are batshit insane?
-- SomeNYGuy
Well, that IS just plain insane, that he seems to be under the impression Afghanistan was a complete success. Yes, the initial plan was actually the best way to carry out the mission -- sending in a larger military force would've only created a third enemy, the Northern Alliance, who wouldn't have taken kindly to an invasion. By sending in a smaller force to work WITH the NA, we were able to see results.
However, the results were short-lived. I realize there is still a small coalition presence in Afghanistan, but control of operations was handed over to NATO years ago even though it was KNOWN at the time that pockets of Taliban and al Qaeda were waiting in the mountains along the Afghan/Pakistani border, regrouping as well as recruiting.
I don't understand the reasoning of those who insist we can't leave Iraq -- are they OK with the fact that we "cut and run" in Afghanistan? Do they even realize their "we lose, they win" scenario already played out?
Again... why would "the terrorists" be waiting around to operate out of a country where a civil war is raging, when they can (and already are) operating out of Afghanistan?
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cheerleaders
as to cheerleaders, you left out one of the most important:
kay bailey hutchinson, senator from texas
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@Jim White
They "win" on one count only
Why hasn't anyone in the MSM or Congress pointed out that Bush's attack on Iraq now accounts for more American deaths than bin Laden's attack on the US?
-- Jim White
Unfortunately, that number was surpassed quite some time ago -- around 500 of those killed in the attacks of 9/11 were foreign nationals.
Not trying to split hairs, it's just one thing that always bothers me. President Bush also always talks of the '3,000 Americans' killed that day. Many other nations suffered losses as well.
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Go, Team, Go!
Chickenhawks, Chickenhawks, they're our team
Surrender monkeys make us scream
Victory, victory, that's our goal
Jam a square peg into a round hole
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Winners Losers
We win, they lose.
We lose, they lose.
They win, we lose.
They lose, we lose.
Do you see a freaking pattern here?
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Win Win Anybody
We win they lose? The level of disturbance in these fellows is alarming. I could start with the word shallow, proceed to plain dumb and end up at just mentally ill.
However I will just note the most powerful negotiators understand that in order to maximize the fruits of a negotiation in your favor requires making everyone at the table feel the final result is a Win Win.
Since everyone (including the surge commander in Iraq) believes military victory is not possible, honing negotiation skills may be a better idea then coming up with dumb-ass slogans.
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WT, I thought there was something familiar...
"As an army brat, it was my good fortune to go out for the team in several of these towns, and trust me, they were pretty much of a piece."
In my case, though, it was Air Force, mostly SAC Bases, and no football for me. And no cheerleading, either! Dreary places, those SAC bases, especially in the winter.
I have to say, the cheers in this post and in the comments are stupendous! and amazing!
In an earlier thread, I was thinking, but didn't get around to posting, that part of the problem is that our media stars feel they are exempt from the same consequences as the rest of us more ordinary folks... especially when it comes down to issues of civil rights being violated. They think that's the sort of thing that happens to those who are much lower on the food chain. And, mostly, they are right, but I think they're taking a lot for granted.
If more of them read Harper's, they might be a bit more worried: http://harpers.org/archive/2007/05/horton-20070504cryp ...another beginning for "it couldn't happen here?"
Just as the military worries about the effects of our admin's codified torture policy in the future, on our troops... shouldn't our "journalists" be more concerned about the possible future consequences on themselves of the Bush military's carelessness with the lives of foreign journalists?
Not to mention, their own threat risk being equated with al Qaeda's?
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Michael Goldfarb clarifies
GG’s “incessantly unclear matters”: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp#1675
“Greenwald asks who are "they"? Well, they're the bad guys, the people who are killing civilians and soldiers alike in a struggle to prevent Iraq from becoming a stable and peaceful society. And when "they lose," all those who were able to see clearly the difference between us and them, between right and wrong, without letting petulant and defeatist nuance blind them to the truth--they'll have been on the right side of history.”
Well, there it is. The truth, etched in stone, plain for all to see.
Is debate even possible with someone so complacently simpleminded?
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Re: Bill Frist and his History
Glenn;
This may need more time before bashing ...
We need to find out, did Bill Frist actually see and read the Iraq Spending Bill, or did he just view a videotaope of it?
Peace
JTD
The Garlic
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Goldfarb’s magic terms:
“truth” “bad guys” “victory” “wartime” “right and wrong” “stable and peaceful society”
We don’t need to define any of these items. Everybody knows what they mean; come on it’s a “no-brainer”...
They mean whatever our dictatorially empowered leader says they mean.