This just proves the quasi-religious nature of conservative belief. Even their own prophet--GWB--has deserted them, but they still hold to the True Faith. The closest parallel to this that I can think of is the Sabbatean Jews who still insisted that Sabbatai Zevi was the Messiah even after he himself gave up and converted to Islam.

Thanks Realname. You have so totally like, gotten the best of me. How could I have ever possibly speculated that the US was planning an attack against Iran that hasn't come yet.

The substance of your argument is beyond question. I bow to you and your laser like wit. You responded to the questions put to you by the lower life forms of Unclaimed Territory (especially the lower life form of myself) with such penetrating wisdom and forethought, and don't forget Serious Substance, that I must just accept your superior thought processes.

I'm thinking that we should all petition Glenn to write a long and detailed rebuttal to the laundry list of facts that you have used to discredit Hersh's articles...and if he can't overcome your (what I consider to be absolutely perfect) arguments as to why we're not currently bombing the source of all evil in the world then he should allow you to guest post...hell that's not enough exposure for your sound reasoning...Salon should give you a forum on their front page, so you can then show us lower life forms just how prescient you are.

I really hope Mr. Neiwert gets a chance to address this excellent excellent post that Glenn has written. I'm not currently at a point where I could blog about such matters to the extent that I'd like, but what we have here is something very troubling.

If you look at Paxton's book on fascism he notes that more than a philosophy fascism was a feeling. And that it foundation was laid by a set of emotional lava that led to mass hysteria and the notion that democracy had failed to protect the nation from ruin. In Walter's Laquer's book on the same subject he notes that xenophobia is a breeding ground for fascism.

What I've been noticing is that there is an increased buzz that Europe is in decay and will soon by overrun (i.e. outbred) by Muslims. For exmaple

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/03/post-human.html

In that post Mark Steyn says that Europe is becoming "post-human" and then Mark Noon follows up by saying that Europe must convert to Judeo-Christianity (aka fundamentalist Christian) or die.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/02/cull-them-all.html

In that one Steyn suggests the need to "cull" Muslims from Europe.

NOw in this post you've got the same fascist aesthitic from Philips about London being overun by Muslims but on top of that you've got the reality revision from a white supremacist that want to track Mosque attivities.

-- William Timberman

Ah, I see shooter, that you believe that no one in the United States starves, and that education is free. That's what the bumper sticker says, so you believe it.

Do you have something to disprove that belief?

Beyond that, what made you think I was speaking exclusively of the United States? Our people doesn't mean only those who live in Seacaucus. Only you would assume that it does.

Like it or not, the only reason people starve and go uneducated is because of bad government. Zimbabwe is the poster child for taking a functioning society that could feed not only itself, but also countries around it.... until Mugabe crippled it in the name of "land reform". Then there's NK, and Sudan. I presume you are talking about them? Sadly, it is people like you selling a fantasy bill of goods that ruins lives.

Now then back to the "infrastructure" you claimed would make everything hunky-dory. What might that be? Or are you just promising something unattainable to the rubes?

Like it or not, the only reason people starve and go uneducated is because of bad government

So your suggesting it IS government's role to make sure people don't starve? Sounds like shooter's channeling LBJ!

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/04/populism-malkin-style.html

That's Malkin's semi-creepy "John Doe" quasi vigilante movement to encourage citizens to be on the look out for "Islamofascists"*

And then look at this http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007352.htm

What does one say to that? Someone, after reading a Malkin column, was inspired to get "I will not submit" tatooed on his arm in arabic. In Malkin world, they really are living in this state of paranoid hysteria where they fear that at militant Muslims will be invading their homes and forcing them into servitude at any moment. It's like they've worked themselves into some kind of mass delusion where they've all transported themselves into a fanstasy world similar to that of the movie Red Dawn, but instead of expecting Communists to drop down in Colorado or wherever the movie was set they're expecting an immenent ivasion of "Islamofascists" and Mexican Requoncistas.

*"Islamofascist" is a slogan, and althought clerical "fascism" has resembles fascism in its fanatacism and mass political nature, it can't truely be fascism because fascism is born as a reaction to what is perceived to be failed liberal democracy.

Do you have something to disprove that belief?

Your taxes pay for education.

As for starvation and malnutrition:

http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/FoodSecurity/

(hint: official documents use euphemisms other than "starving" to report on such things. makes for bad copy, see.)

One thing to keep in mind when considering American "food security" is that in blighted cities, there are frequently NO food stores within miles other than gas stations. Supermarkets will simply not build in too-impoverished areas.

Also, don't let stereotypes block the perception of the situation: some of the poorest people on Earth are dirt-farming white folks in W. Virginia.

*Rise to Being

National Existence is political order experienced by men of the nation as a Rise to Being. Its opposite is a replacement of political order experienced by men, women, children and slaves as a Fall from Being.

According to Dave, if you get what he is preaching, you are SANE (capitalization by Dave), however as shown by the quote above ambiguous obtuseness is apparently a requirement of sanity. What I think Dave is saying in this the first line of his Web site is there is a new political order supported by men who have risen to some level of Being. Since Being is capitalized, it must refer in Daves mind as some specificly identified and exalted state for only superior men. The opposite and what is dragging down the men who are "Rising to Being" are women, children and slaves. I could see David having some bad experiences with women and even children leading him to his unfortunate world-view, but when did he experience slaves first hand? And is he really saying it's uppity slaves screwing up mans higher calling?

This is acid trip mumbo jumbo spawned from ridiculous base assumptions and I guess bigotry but the mumbo jumbo is so thick it can be tough to tell. Regardless, it makes Dave the perfect addition to Chalabi and Curve-Ball as the brain trust centerpieces for neo-con foreign policy.

Sometimes I wish I could be a wing nut, and serve my country by just making up crazy chit: It was Saddams biological factories that created a food additive which was slowly, over time leaked into our food processing plants. This is what is really accountable for the death rates in our country. If it weren't for Saddam, white men could live to at least 100, having a number of young wives along the way. This is being covered up by Bill Clinton (Hillary doesn't know) who has the antidote but wants the antidote only for himself and a small group of South American leftist scientists (more on this later). Bush and conservatives are helpless because Clinton has videos of high ranking conservatives from Reagan to the present in compromising (if not disgusting) situations and are hoping somehow they can politically leverage Clinton into sharing the antidote with them. They tried to break Clinton with Monica but that failed. They tried invading Iraq to get it from Saddam but he would rather die than share the antidote with the west. The biggest question challenging our nation is how did Clinton get the antidote from Saddam and now that Saddam is dead how do we get the antidote from Clinton. Call your congressman and demand an answer.