Letters to the Editor
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Interpolation
Gator: Glenn, I did not know which of the links and references in your posts on the subject constituted, in your mind, factual evidence of agitation for war by Jewish groups.
Your support is laudable, but I don't understand why your inability to connect the dots is somehow Glenn's fault.
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Clown(sense)
I doubt it's yer computer. More likely Salon is going through yet another of its
m a i n t e n e n c e
c r i s e s.
Some of them in the past seemed to go on for weeks. Part of what's so... charming... about Salon.
It's just a little
s l o w
this morning, that's all.
Was going to post something about Teh Pron sTAR and La Coulter, myself but it got lost somewhere in the ether tubes...
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Also @gator
It's helpful to remember the concept of plausable deniability as well. You're correct that no one is on the AIPAC website is openly calling for bombing but then again Bush himself kept referring to the Iraq war as a last resort when he meant no such thing. It would be nice to think that AIPAC would be satisfied with a diplomatic solution and that the administration might be pursuing one, but it would also be nice if 10 million dollars fell out of the sky and landed in my lap.
As always, time will tell.
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Any ideas where GG is today?
His electronic presence, I mean. Or guesses as to the topic of the next post?
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Gator / AIPAC
Gator,
I have been to their site also. And I can't see a policy statement regarding Iran anywhere. While clearly Iran is a major focus of AIPAC, it seems weird (to me at least)that they don't have a position paper regarding what they think should be done, by Israel or the US, regarding Iran.
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bamage
I believe GG is currently heavily medicated, congested, and infested.
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Gator90:
If you didn't intend to accuse anyone of anti-semitism, then you should be a bit more careful when saying using generalizations like "Jewish groups." Glenn's argument is more precise than that: he doesn't posit a generalized "Jewish Conspiracy," he suggests that some right-wing Jewish groups are agitating for war with Iran, both inside and outside Israel. There are also Jewish groups that oppose this agitation and are trying to find a rapprochement between Israel and Iran, both left-wing and not.
I would go further and say that the primary impetus for this agitation is not from the aforementioned right-wing Jewish groups, but from American right-wing groups. If war with Iran occurs, Israel will pay the price primarily, not the US - it's simply not in their national interest to an even greater degree than it is to us. We're all getting played.
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Good News For Michelle Malkin?
http://editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003555963
Shreveport Paper Becomes 4th This Week to Drop Ann Coulter
By Dave Astor
March 08, 2007 11:30 AM ET
The Times of Shreveport, La., today became at least the fourth newspaper this week to drop columnist Ann Coulter...
...Also dropping Coulter this week were the Lancaster (Pa.) New Era, The Oakland Press of Michigan, and The Mountain Press of Sevierville, Tenn... -
@ Gator90
[to Glenn]: Nevertheless, when I had the temerity to politely question the factual basis of an assertion you made, and to not accept the adequacy of your answers, ...
Look, there may not be enough evidence to prove in a court of law beyond reasonable doubt Glenn's claims about AIPAC and related groups, but just as it's getting increasingly untenable to deny anthropogenic global warming, the sheer consistency and weight of the evidence for the hardline sentiments of the AIPAC folks (as well as their PNAC buddies; see, e.g. the paper they tried on Netanyahu [who wisely rejected it] before coming to the more brilliant solution that it would be better [and cheaper and more effective] to enlist the U.S. to carry their sanguinary schemes) tells the tale: A prima facie case has been made, and reasonable discourse now puts the burden on the doubters to explain away the most likely conclusion WRT AIPAC's hopes, aims, and intentions.
You, sir, may continue to "doubt" the evidence. That is your right. We're free to reach our own conclusions. And not to accept assertions that no case has been made.
Cheers,
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AIPAC favors "engagement" but opposes diplomacy
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1173173961033&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
"AIPAC is not in principle opposed to engagement with Iran, and given Iran's consistent pattern of delay and deception, AIPAC believes diplomatic efforts should not slow the necessary and continued imposition of biting economic and political sanctions," Block said. "By increasing the pressure on the Iranian regime, the international community can continue to create the circumstances most likely to lead to Iran abandoning its illicit pursuit of nuclear capability."
--Ron Kampeas / jtaNobody truly believes that economic pressure is going to do anything other than strengthen the siege mentality in Iran. The options are simple: diplomacy or war. The only "engagement" with Iran that AIPAC and Bush and Cheney really want is military engagement with Iran. Bush believes that negotiating with pure evil is purely evil, and that means his only options are military. A small bombing raid like the brief (about 80 seconds) 1981 raid on Osirak wouldn't work. Even a larger raid, with conventional weapons, wouldn't work. The only military way to assure the destruction of Iran's underground nuclear facilities would be to use nuclear bombs. The only other way is to use diplomacy, an option which most Democrats want on the table but which most Republicans want off the table.
Despite the differences between the Democrats and Republicans, the unspoken meaning from both parties, when they say that "all options" should be on the table, is that they're endorsing a nuclear first strike.
The net effects of such a strike would be disastrous for the USA and even worse for Israel. Anybody who loves the USA and/or Israel should be opposed to AIPAC.
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Nothing to fear but fear itself
I saw Stossel's 20/20 report on the "fear-industrial complex" and he was (for the most part) right on the money.
I'd like to see him inquire a bit more closely into exactly who benefits from fear, and why.