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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 12:00 AM

Michael Jackson's death means little to me

Who's mourning the dead in Afghanistan? Our hearts should go out to the innocent victims of our wars

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Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:02 PM

"America--killer of the people!"

I remember seeing those words spray painted in 20 foot letters on the side of a mountain in Greece, of all places. That was before 9/11. At the time, I hardly understood what it meant but it stayed with me.

It is astonishing that the majority of Americans still argue that Muslims are violent. In all likelihood we have probably killed more Afghans now than the Taliban ever did during their reign. Yet, we call them violent?

Afghan blood bought and paid for by the CIA helped defeat the US's archenemy by proxy. Now Afghan blood pays for the sins of a oil rich sheikh, for the sins of the Arab world (Afghans are not Arabs). Always, it is the poorest people who get screwed...here, there, and everywhere.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:42 PM

Muck Fichael Jackson

It has nothing to do with Michael Jackson or whether we should or should not grieve for him...morons! Read the article!

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:35 PM

@Silenced

So, by that rationale since you pork your wife I should pork her too?

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:28 PM

Narcissism v. sloppy rhetoric, which is the greater sin?

@V.B. from MN

Forget superiority complexes, it's logic (and ignorance) like yours that is the reason the American left is--and probably forever will be--utterly meaningless in the global scale of things. Whenever people like you say things like "a Chinese Muslim group (that few, I'd wager, have even heard of prior to a few months ago)" you make it clear why no one in the world cares one whit about this "left" that you're so quick to identify yourself as a member of. Progressives and leftists around the world yawn when American "leftists" start bloviating and throwing around their theories and opinions because they know these are the irrelevant squeaks of an uninformed, pampered pseudo-left best consigned to spinning off deconstructionist accounts of Family Guy or fighting over which of its ridiculously affluent middle class citizens is most symbolically victimized.

There are about 15 million Uyghurs out there who, I'm pretty sure, have heard of themselves, as have most of the 1.4 billion other citizens of China, as well as a good chunk of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims. Not to mention plenty of Americans, Europeans and others who have had their heads out of the sand for any length of time.

I'm sorry if you feel defensive about having your own ridiculous ignorance called out by Greenwald, but please treat that emotion for what it is--shock at having your American shell bruised--and leave the analysis for the grownups.

@Jon Dubya

I agree that the guilt trip here is too generic to be at all effective; Engelhardt has never been a savvy communicator. But surely we could agree that the crucial point is that while in other parts of the world these forms of grief (the symbolic and the actual, the distant and the immediate, the techno-mediated pornographic and the personally intimate, the easy and the difficult, the irresponsible and the responsible) co-exist, in the US one is the distraction that helps us repress the other. Not a good state of affairs for fellow citizens and surely not one that bodes well for any MJ-loving Afghans who have the bad luck to end up on the wrong side of American complacency.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:02 PM

Stop whining

Like it or not:

1)He was one of the world's most famous people

2)His music made millions of people happy and some other people rich

3)He was never proven guilty of any crime

4)Pop artists and some politicians have taken the role fulfilled by "heroes" in the past, meaning they will get big funeral and memorial services. Even more so in this day and age.

5)Paradoxically, having more information about what's happening around the world has not prevented or avoided tragedies.

6)People all around the world don't care about what happens on the other side of the world, even if they could do something about it. The US didn't care about Rwanda when it was happening.

7)This is the way things are.

DEAL WITH IT.

And no, it didn't mean much to me either. But I can understand that there was absolutely no chance in hell for Jackson's memorial not to be the biggest news story for quite some time.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 09:46 PM

It means so little to you?!!

It means even less to me.

It's a case of certain media outlets making a mint off the most frivolous, silly people in the country. Enough already! We already have TMZ. And that's plenty!!!

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 09:38 PM

The headline: Big epic FAIL!

I'm sorry, but this article already starts off on the wrong foot with a title that is not only false advertising (hint: it doesn't really have anything to do with Michael Jackson) but implies that it delves into that most tiresome and obnoxious of argumentative tactics: the guilt trip. Even ignoring the "King of pop", such tactics are asinine.

For starters, this type of argument is habitually used because it's so insincere and generic (after all, you could easily replace the words "Michael Jackson's death" with ANY percieved "vice" and still get the same article). Secondly, as a Black man AND a gay man, I know the problems that can occur when people try to "go for the gold" in the Oppresion Olympics. It's not a competition for sympathy, people. (After all, THEN we could say "Well people are ALSO not surviving weddings in Rwanada. So why should we feel sorry for folks in Afghanistan?" It's a slippery slope to nowhere) Also on that note, I wish us liberals would remember that people CAN walk and chew gum at the same time. After all, if I mourn a recently deceased family member, does that mean I'm incapable of mourning anyone else? If you really want to mourn the Afghani people, well, there's nothing stopping you, you know. You don't need "our" permission to do so.

Finally (and I'll admit this is my own generalized observation) but there seems to be a bigger generosity of spirit in other countries then in this one. For instance the tributes and mourning to Jackson has been global (including places like Afghanistan, where they listened to his music too.) This, of course doesn't seem to stop other countries from mourning their own or paying attention to "what's important".

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 09:28 PM

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