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Monday, June 15, 2009 12:00 AM

Wingnut, why are angry white guys shooting people?

Our conservative denies that the Holocaust Museum shooting and other violent acts are related to Obama's election.

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Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:18 PM

Wingnut, Go Away.

What's the point of this column? If I want to have my senses assaulted by right-wing drivel, I can go to Red State or Freepers. You can't reason or intelligently debate with wingnuts, so why are you insulting our intelligence and granting them credibility by letting one of them have space here?

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:28 PM

Yeah, nothing to see in that DHS Report

DHS REPORT: Rightwing extremist groups’ frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence

From the Seattle Post-Intelligencer ...

An outspoken anti-immigration activist from Everett has been arrested in Arizona in connection to a deadly home invasion robbery.

Shawna Forde, the executive director of the Minutemen American Defense, is one of three accused in the shooting deaths of 29-year-old Raul Flores and his daughter, 9-year-old Brisenia Flores, at their home in Arivaca, Ariz., a town 10 miles north of the Mexican border.

DHS REPORT:

Has concluded that white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat

http://washingtonindependent.com/46418/james-von-brunn-birther-racist-killer

Von Brunn, apparently a World War II vet, has a long history of white supremacist writing. His book, “Kill The Best Gentiles,” embraces Adolf Hitler’s view that Jews concocted World War I as part of a scheme to stab Germany in the back — a myth the Nazis used to justify the Holocaust.

He also wrote an internet posting complaining that Obama’s birth certificate and other documents have not been made public.

DHS REPORT

Right wing extremism may include those devoted to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion

Scott Roeder, the "person of interest" held by police in Kansas, belonged to the "Freemen" anti-government group in the 1990s and was once arrested for having bomb-making materials in his car

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:31 PM

I think that this essay was well done

Well thought out and well written. I am a liberal, and I notice that there is more right-wing extremist violence during democratic presidential administrations than during republican administrations. I remember the rise of the Michigan Militia during the Clinton administration.

I believe there is a connection. But I also believe it is important to note that there are violent extremes on both the right and the left wings. So although I rarely agree with the wingnut, I think that this is as good a conservative response as possible.

I don't get the lionization of Mumia and Pelletier by the left. I am liberal, but I don't get it. Peace-seeking, justice-seeking people should not embrace vigilante or terrorist violence no matter the perceived justness of the cause.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:34 PM

No True Scotsman

No real conservatives are in favor of violence. Members of militia groups gunning down children? They're fringe members. Murdering abortion providers? Lone nutcases, we have no idea where they came from. Randall Terry standing up and saying that's a good thing? He's doesn't represent those groups we support. Racist anti-semites attacking Holocaust museums? Not one of ours, we like Israel.

Heck, they're all probably liberals. Because no conservative I know acts like that.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:37 PM

Hi, You mention Some Liberal LawBreakers But ...

you conveniently overlook some state sponsered criminls from the right.

Oliver north comes to mind. He probably helped smuggle drugs into the US with official gobvernment support. He certianly was pardoned for committing crimes. I would be interested if you would consider gun-smuggling a non-violent crime. You would probably consider the drug-running part also very controversial, but the right hasn't allowed those charges to be very well investigated. Just like you didn't want the dead in Iraq counted and made sure the Iraq office in charge of those counts to have been closed down.

Now, how about Negroponte? He has left a trail of death and death-squads where ever he has gone. Whether his work has been in the Amerca's, as in South America, or the Middle-East death squads are sure to follow. Once again you would probably say that correlation does not prove causation and quietly work to make sure the investigation was squashed.

If there is a hell, this bastard will have a place in the inner circle for all the state sanctioned misery he has caused in the name of "American interests". His right-wing solutions are trivial compared left wing transgressions. Proof to the contrary would be gratefully appreciated but I suspect that it doesn't exist and that's why his presidential pardon was required.

After listening to some of the hate crap coming out of the Lumbaugh I would still have to say that the secret service has their hands full in keeping Obama alive and this task will pale compared to keeping the liberals in line during Bush. Americans' easy access to guns creates an excuse for protest zones and the like. In Oz we just don't have that problem yet and don't see the need for your police state.

Having the right complain about profiling is just rich. You have got to be kidding. After profiling all your enemies for the last 8 years the right has finally discovered they might be profiled? You guys are as dumb as you look. It must be some sort of joke.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:40 PM

Luis Posada?

Ummm, what about Luis Posada, the Cuban who blew up an airliner full of innocent people? He is not only a folk hero among some right-wingers, he was openly tolerated by the Bush administration, who made no effort to arrest him when it was within their power. All because he was ostensibly fighting Castro.

I'd say his fan club is at least as large as Leornard Peltiers's.

Double standard?

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:43 PM

Dear Wingnut,

I can't believe it took you an entire eleven paragraph breaks to get to Ayers. I was getting bored waiting for it!

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:47 PM

The right wing does not have a monopoly on hatred and bigotry

s a Jewish American I have observed much more anti-semitism from the left than ever existed from the right in this country. I deplore the right wing bigotry of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and Pat Buchanan and cannot watch or listen to them but I find that left wingers love targeting the right while they espouse anti-semitism against Jews and conspiracy theories about 911 against their own government. Although I voted for Gore and Kerry and was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama, I found the vitriol from the left every bit as nasty as that from the right. Bush was a very bad President but the hatred that came from the lips and pens of the left was revolting. One would have thought they were speaking and writing about Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot of Cambodia.

The left wingers lambast the Fox News commentators and Limbaugh, Beck, and Coulter while at the same time keep silent or justify the recent comment by Reverend Wright that the reason he has not spoken with President Obama since he became President is because “Them Jews won’t let me get near him.” The truth that the left wing refuses to own up to is that anti-semitism in the Black community is prevalent and common place. The Democratic Party is the only party I have voted for the past forty years but I find much more anti-semitism in that party than exists in the Republican Party.

Yes, the Republican Party is going to be a minority party for a generation if they keep up their obsession with denying rights to Blacks, Gays, Women, and Hispanics and denying global warming exists, and yes, most of their most prominent spokespersons spew anger and hate but before the Democrats cast all their aspersions and blame towards the Republicans they need to ask themselves why they defended (and still defend) the anti-American, anti-semitic tirades and sermons of Reverend Wright and support, justify, or excuse acts of hatred and terror by groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah, and why they have a problem with the words “Islamic terror.” The Democrats continue to try and convey to the American people the feeling that there is no such thing as terrorism or hatred against any group if you are not a member of the Republican Party. The sad truth is that although the idiots on the right like Coulter, Beck and Limbaugh get all the publicity they do not have a monoply on hate speech, rhetoric and bigotry. Democrats need to look in the mirror. The left is no better than the right when it comes to bigotry and hatred.

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