Remember Palin's husband was a member of a secession group up in Alaska -- and since Alaska gets almost two dollars back from the feds for everyone they put in -- perhaps we can let them go to.

Those survivalist , state militia types with guns and god -- are always wanting to separate from the rest of us with running water, hospitals and schools - let them.

Unfortunately they always take their kids , and you end up with the groups marring off girls at 13 to 30 year old men -- and decent folks always feel they have to rescue the women and kids.

Perhaps we say they can secede, but only men folks, they can't take their kids and women with them.

...and it will soon be the Viking paradise that all the global climate change deniers keep telling us it once was, let's let the Libertarians found their 'Neverland' there.

Of course, they'll have to start off with essentially no technology, since all technology is tainted with the 'curse' of Statism.

But I'm generous. Let them settle in Greenland with anything that they can personally carry (guns, laptop computers, dehydrated food, etc.).

Then, in about 5 years, when it has turned into The Lord of The Flies...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_The_Flies

...we offer those that want to return to civilization the chance to do so, but only if they agree to shut their frakin traps about Libertarianism forever.

PLEASE DO!!!!! and take most of the south with you!

...take your big Texas-sized temper tantrum and put it under your big Texas-sized hat and just go. We'll move Austin to Taos and hold SXSW there, move Johnson SFC to Mountain View and just be done. Have fun when Mexico decides they want you back.

I'm really getting sick of the whiny,stompy sore-loser attitude that the Right has displayed since last November. I feel like my parents at the dinner table when I was a kid. "If you think you can find a better place and another country that will love you more, the door's that way".

When I was lad at college I encountered a group of "free space colonizers" who envisioned a libertarian enclave at L5 between the earth and the moon. Indeed, a fleet of space pods! Don't like the rules on this pod, go start your own!

They were nutty in a harmless, amusing fashion and clearly marginal to the real world. But that was then and now people just as nutty are the base of the Republican party, along with the John Birch contingent, the global warming deniers and, the usual sprinkling of racists.

With threats to "go Gault" or live on oil rigs it's clear that libertarianism is an infantile disorder; people long past their teens who just can't let go of Rand and Heinlein (whose kids books are fine).

But don't discourage them. If enough free market fetishists move onto oil rigs maybe the rest of us can finally get the economy back to reality.

The American Taliban.

Science has proven that the Libertarians were about 100 times more right than even they believed they were when they backed medical marijuana initiatives and went to the barricades for medical marijuana patients.

Hippies, Greens, gays, and suit-and-tie Libertarians -- those were the people standing behind the patients back in 1996. That was back when Bill Clinton was calling it "Cheech and Chong medicine."

Now, 17,000 peer-reviewed and published articles later, it's become a mainstream political issue that won every county in Michigan in 2008, something Obama couldn't do.

Libertarians do win elections, in a sense, when their ideas become validated enough to gain the confidence of the mainstream.

They say that both are inevitable, and apparently some libertarians hope to avoid both.

I get annoyed when my own outlandish, foolish beliefs are tied to other people's outlandish, foolish beliefs. The possibility of indefinite life extension seems hard to deny. I can think of reasons why it might not be desirable, but when I try to think of why it wouldn't be possible, I draw a blank.

You could imagine this era as a tragic one, where millions of people stopped existing every day, taking their hopes, dreams, and memories to the dirt with them. It's like watching an entire Library of Alexandria rot away before each sunset. It's not crazy to want to bring an end to that, and I imagine that future people will wonder why we took so little care in trying to preserve ourselves.

You could have fun psychoanalyzing the sorts of people who are obsessed with life extension. It might not be a sign of maturity, to wish for something that has never existed, and may not in our lifetimes. It's certainly a sign of an unreasonable state of mind. But then, I don't consider myself particularly reasonable.

So, let the live forever crowd stand or fall on their own craziness. Please, please don't discredit them by linking them to libertarians.

"Homer, that's your solution to everything- to move under the sea, well it's not gonna happen!"

:)

Just.... WOW. Words truly fail.

Self-parody is to mild a term for these people's beliefs.

All I can do is encourage them. Keep it up wingnuts! Keep showing everyone just how tenuous your grip on reality is!

Who the fuck are these people?

There's a rumor that there is a colony of sailors intentionally adrift in the Sargasso. They should join them.

Presumably through the collapse of social order. And in that Mad Max world, I think the pansy think-tankers and stock traders who push this ridiculous ideology will taste delicious.

"Who the fuck are these people?"

The kind of people you see on television but not in real life - fictional characters - actors.

You seriously believe this crap?

How do you like the taste of Syke #9?

I think it is irresistible.

Instead of Survival Shacks in the Rockies, they're trying for Pantisocracy in the ocean. Of course real men would found their New Jerusalems where the 17th century's pioneers, and the 19th century's, did: in the stormy Atlantic, not the appropriately named "Pacific."

Let them experience a hurricane, a tornado, let them see why Oliver Goldsmith wrote of the very mellow Georgia, in "The Deserted Village," that it was Hell on Earth (in the 1750's). Let them discover why Charles Westley, brother of John, tried to preach to the population of the idyllic St. Simon's Island and found that he could make no headway, because no matter how he described Hell, their daily lives were already worse. Let them discover why history has happened the hard way, by reliving it.

We can even put up a fence and call it an experiment. "Come watch people revert and then live out the last three centuries on their own. Their money is worthless, now that they have to make their own, and they have to come up with their own trade goods. Let's see how long it takes for them to apply for aid, shall we?"