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Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:00 AM

Why newspapers are like department stores

They're both outmoded business models, and they're both in trouble.

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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 06:22 PM

Answer

The younger generation does NOT read.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 07:02 PM

Another whining journalist

Every news outlet seems determined to milk this new genre of newsmen crying about the end of newspapers until it's dry. Get over yourselves! By the way, Mr. Lyons never delivered on the title of this article, a comparison between newspapers and department stores.

Also, young people read plenty, they're just not reading newspapers. Get with the times you fogeys.

Anyone without liverspots knows that they don't need to subscribe to piles and piles of dead trees to get editorials and opinions. They're called blogs and forums now.

Advertisements? Everywhere. Classifieds? Craigslist and Ebay. Local and ethnic newspapers are doing fine, since they report on things you can't get from the internet.

Once someone figures out how to make money AND maintain a news room for national and international news, this issue will be decided completely.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 07:04 PM

Newspapers stopped being Newspapers in the 80s or before.

Why buy propaganda?

They supported the wars, the scams, the lies, and the hidden agendas. They refused to print the news. The printed government press releases instead. While our country was being gutted and looted they patted themselves on the back about how they were the elite, the nervous system of the country and god's gift to the public.

They screwed us all over.

Their patron saint is Goebbels.

When they screwed the public, they also screwed the people who bought their rags and you can get the same stories for free on the internet. You can actually get truth on the internet, You could never get that from the press. It was all controlled, censored and crafted to sell bullshit and deceive.

The fourth Estate evaporated itself.

Thanks for Obama - who will buy your rags now?

Who can afford to?

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 07:08 PM

Also

Cocaine.

Not so much now.

Antidepressants.

Everything is A-OK and we are doing better than we ever did before and every cloud has a silver lining oh happy happy joy joy.

Thirty years of that is enough.

CIA assets as editors probably had something to do with the drugs.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 07:50 PM

geezer perspective

I am a geezer who has been reading the NY Times nearly every day since 1960. I want it on paper so I can fold it to do the cross word puzzle. I care terribly that it and other great newspapers are threatened.

The twerps who are so happy to see print journalism die really should consider where we would be without the reporters who uncovered the crimes on the Nixon administration, or who exposed the torture memos of the last gang of thugs to run the country.

My biggest grouse with the younger generations is their idea that intellectual property is free and that nothing on line should carry a cost. The pirates in Somalia are not the biggest threat to civilization.

What are the bloggers going to blog about when there is no real news at the base? The term "circle jerk" comes to mind.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 08:11 PM

My dear Roxyval,

Lying about Israel and Palestine for 60 years hasn't helped their credibility any.

The media says one thing and the pictures and video say exactly the opposite.

Tell enough lies and people assume you are a liar and your credibility is destroyed.

I used to believe those same lies. The same lies you still sell. 60 years of lies do not make it the truth.

Sorry. Keep lying. Maybe it will start working again.

WOLF!

WOLF!

WOLF!

Good luck if a real wolf comes. It will come from within. They always do.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 08:37 PM

Suhhhhlam DUNK!!

They supported the wars, the scams, the lies, and the hidden agendas. They refused to print the news. The printed government press releases instead. While our country was being gutted and looted they patted themselves on the back about how they were the elite, the nervous system of the country and god's gift to the public.

Give this man FIVE stars.

propaganda organs is all these rags are and the sheeple finally figured it out.

notice, the papers that still thrive to this day are the ones actually NOT mesmerized by the evil forces running our big brother government.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:05 PM

When the printing press was invented . . .

It destroyed the art of creating illuminated manuscripts. This was not fair. Illuminated manuscripts were singular works of art, and their creators helped preserve the knowledge of the ancient world through the dark ages.

The Internet is replacing the printing press. As a result, the modes of living made possible by that technology will inevitably fade away. In the long run, this is a good thing. Electronic duplication and transmission of information has the potetial to eliminate a form of scarcity and unseat money as the gatekeeper of knowledge. This may not be fair to those who make their living off the scarcity of information, but it is a necessary and positive change. If journalists, artists, writers, etc don't like it, well, I hear Walmart's hiring. It'll be up to the rest of us to pick up the slack by creating free content.

I forsee three possible futures. One, the notion of the "professional artist" will fade away, as every individual becomes an artist in their spare time. Two, advertising subsidizes the creation of free art for all. Three, groups with like interests pool their resources to become patrons, like the merchant princes of rennaisance italy.

What cannot and must not happen is to allow internet technology to recapitulate the old world and continue to allow the existence of scarcity to benefit the few at the expense of the many.

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:41 PM

@Roger64

Heh--Tom Tomorrow pointed out a while back just how self-devouring the "bloggers uber alles" attitude is. Soon there won't be news--all will be Twitter...

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/03/03/tomo/index.html

Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:05 AM

Don't give away what people will pay for

Many newspapers devalued themselves by giving away their online editions for free from the beginning, unlike the Wall Street Journal online edition, which requires a subscription for their news/business content (can be linked to a print sub).

Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:45 AM

How things will shake out in 20 years?

I don't think anyone knows how things will shake out in the next 20 months. The Miami Herald, Boston Globe, San Francisco Chronicle and Seattle Times could all be gone by then. At least one of the network evening news casts could be history as well. There simply is no viable business model right now. The only prediction anyone should make is that local investigative journalism will soon be nearly extinct, and will not return until that magic new online business model is invented. The only bet I'll make: City, county and state political corruption will surge (but of course we'll never know for sure because no one will be there to uncover it).

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