I'm willing to have a discussion without epithets. Are you?

I explained the situation the way I see it. You see it differently, and believe it or not, I understand your position. It doesn't help the dialogue to ascribe evil intentions to your opponent. That's what both the Israelis and the Palestinians do, and why we've had 60 years of this mess.

We didn't get into WWII until we were terrorized by Japan, because the cost in American lives was unacceptable to us, but the cost in Jewish, Gypsy, Homosexual, the mentally retarded, and Jehovah's Witnesses' lives was acceptable. Do you feel good about that? Does the fact that I believe we should have entered the war sooner mean that I don't care for my fellow Americans?

You really need to back off from that line of argument, it only demeans yourself.

"What is needed is a single state that treats Arabs and Jews as equals. Until the "peace process" takes that as a goal, we can forget about peace in the region."

Well then, I guess we can forget about peace in the region.

You think arab muslims and zionist jews will share a country in harmony and pluralism?

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Maybe after they figure out that god is not real and Jerusalem is no more holy than west Newark, that might happen.

Till then I'm not going to hold my breath.

From Cana to Medina to today.

Ahhh, the Abrahamic religions....Same S$#t different whores (Sarah / Hagar)...has a greater cancer ever infected this world? A greater force to ensure people may live together....but never TOGETHER. People fighting over stupid ancient desert scribblings...almost seems too stupid to be true.

There are forces and ideas that are older and more powerful than those on today's political spectrum.

Like racism and militarism. The two pillars of Zionism that Zionists like JonathanInTelAviv base their ideology.

Aluf Benn seems to be saying that the Israeli people felt troubled psychologically that Olmert's misadventure in Lebanon went horribly wrong, so the Zionists are killing innocent Palestinian women and children to make everybody (except for fringe peaceniks)feel better. I find it very disturbing that this piece of Zionist propaganda is the lead article in Salon. I wonder, Joan, if you have forgotten so soon that article after article in Salon condemned this kind of behavior from the Bush administration, yet now you are giving the Israelis a pass. How Come?

"If you poke the bear (or monkey pig dogs as the Arabs often call the Jews) with a stick long enough, the bear is going to tear your face off."

True enough. However, occasionally the bear will just come out of the woods and grab you. Bears are notoriously unpredictable, "cute" one moment, savage the next.

"Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats. you." At the moment a larger bear is eating a smaller one. Even though Big Bear was "provoked" we probably shouldn't let bestiality into the equation.

Do sane people teach their children that everyone hates them and wants to exterminate them because of who they are? What does that do to a child? Look in the mirror.

Who put that stuff in your head and heart? You parents? Your school? Your house of worship?

Why do you indentify with oppression, hate, murder and war crimes so much that the thought of them ceasing raises your hackels?

Honesetly, you can live without the hate and the mental illness.

America - in America Arab Muslims and Jews can get along and do so just fine. They do so at work, at play and at anti-war demonstrations to my direct observation.

We didn't get into WWII until we were terrorized by Japan, because the cost in American lives was unacceptable to us, but the cost in Jewish, Gypsy, Homosexual, the mentally retarded, and Jehovah's Witnesses' lives was acceptable. Do you feel good about that? Does the fact that I believe we should have entered the war sooner mean that I don't care for my fellow Americans?

Except for the fact that the history of Zionism undermines your entire point

"One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe". Who said that again?

You really need to back off from that line of argument, it only demeans yourself.

Why? You have done nothing to refute it.

And the Zionists closed them.

It's not OK to kill people in order to make yourself feel better -- or more powerful, or more in control, or to "erase the stain the failure." That's what psychopaths do.

When it comes to Israel, otherwise reasonable people lose their heads and start acting like teenagers at a brawl. Here we have Mayor Bloomberg running around Israel explaining that it's just fine for Israel to attack another country and claiming that the New York police department would do the same. Sure. Exactly when has New York's finest ever invaded a foreign nation? Never, of course. After 9/11 it was the U.S. military who responded -- not very wisely as it turns out. But the point is that the NYPD responded on the ground to the immediate situation, but had no hand in any military response. Bloomberg's idiotic ramblings are just one example of the level of sloppy, emotional, ultimately violent thinking that makes Israel such a danger to itself and others.

Let's see... aerial bombardment of a blockaded area full of civilians who have no where to go. A ship delivering supplies is rammed ("By accident"). The UN is useless, thanks to the US veto and Israel's puppetry of the US.

Look at this map:

http://www.spaceways.net/Israel_stealing_palestine.jpg

Getting the picture? Why is the US involved in this atrocity? Hitler was prescient in "Mein Kampf" when he predicted what a Zionist state would be like.

Why is the US on the wrong side of yet another conflict?

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” — Raphael Eitan, chief of staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, New York Times, April 14, 1983.

But REMEMBER this is NOT "Genocide"!