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Saturday, Nov 7, 2009
That's not the only thing they point to, and you're a liar again for framing it that way.
Sticks and stones. They also point to American support for all the other tin pot dictators and Muslim oppressing Governments that we support, which is why I used the plural form "reasons". But so what? It doesn't make what I said any less true.
You know as well as I do that terrorists also regularly call for the USA to install Islamic rule (including Osama). Should we do that too? It might keep us safer!
Your arguments are so dishonest and full of fallacies that they aren't even worth addressing. All that matters is that committing generations of Americans to die fighting other people's religious wars is worth it to you, because you believe it makes us "look tough". You don't give a shit about the consequences of unflinching support of Israel on America or its citizens, and have not even tried to deny that. Thanks for proving my point.
The number of Arab states that have every provided any real assistance or aid to any Palestinians anywhere. Egypt essentially outsourced their Palestinian underclass problem when they pushed their Palestinians into Gaza and then abandoned them unasked and unqualified in December 1967. The several hundred thousand Palestinian 'refugees' some of whom moved there in the 1950's have never been allowed to even ask for Syrian citizenship. Likewise Palestinians arrived in Lebanon in 2 waves. One in the early 1960's: they have also never been allowed to request citizenship 2 or 3 generations in. The second wave was in 1970 after Yasser Arafat tried to overthrow the government of Jordan which resulted in a brief civil war, 30,000 causalities and expulsion from Jordan to Lebanon. These Palestinians many of whom were soldiers and their families have also never been allowed citizenship in Lebanon. Jordan is a special case which actually did offer citizenship to some Palestinians (Jordan is about 75% Palestinian anyway) but those people were convinced by the PLO to refuse the offer since it would take away from their 'struggle' to take over all of Israel. About 40,000 Palestinians were invited to Iraq by Saddam Hussein. He threw Iraqis out of their homes and jobs to give the Palestinians special status. After Saddam was gone, the local Iraqis had some payback and persecuted the hell out of them for taking over their lives and aligning themselves with Saddam. Similarly after the 1990-91 Iraq/Kuwaiti war, about 230,000 Palestinian guest workers and their families were immediately expelled from Kuwait for their loyalties to Saddam.
There is something broken in the culture of Palestinians to willfully make so many bad decisions one after the other. A student of Jared Diamond would call that the Easter Island Syndrome: A culture that willfully makes so many awful decisions that it goes extinct.
Ask all the men of Gaza to get circumsized. Then, when they are holding their crotches in pain, go in and slaughter them. Enslave the women and children and take the goats. It works every time!
If you poke the bear (or monkey pig dogs as the Arabs often call the Jews) with a stick long enough, the bear is going to tear your face off.
Stalin was elected. So was Milosevic. So was Robert Mugabe and most of the cannibal kings in Africa. Is that the bar you set?
The Hamas murdered more than 400 Fatah political opponents in Gaza this year alone. More than 40 in the last week.
Israel is welcome to bully and bloody its neighbors, but not with my money and support.
What Benn does not articulate is the Israeli policy of "slow genocide" for the Palestinians, described by Israeli historian Benny Morris and others. I find this type of calculation to be profoundly evil, and have no wish for the US to be tainted by it.
There is not a single politically ambitious member of Congress that has the balls to criticize Israel today. None. This is where the problem lies, for me.
Did Obama have to accept Israeli-born Rahm Emmannuel as gate-keeper to get AIPAC's endorsement? How many other Faustian bargains has he made that will render him impotent to rid us of this parasitic monopoly in our midst?
Hamas was elected by the people of Palestine, yet they are still called terrorist
Actually, Hamas took control with a coup against the governing body, the Palestinian Authority. Remember the guys being thrown off roofs?
But how they came to power doesn't matter. Hitler came to power democratically also. What matters is their actions, which are to violently attack their neighbors. That's what we in Israel call a no-no. And my feeling here in Tel Aviv is that Israel has to put a stop to it, *no matter what*.
Your arguments are so dishonest and full of fallacies that they aren't even worth addressing.
Ah, how convenient. Can I use that line too and just be done with you?
All that matters is that committing generations of Americans to die fighting other people's religious wars is worth it to you, because you believe it makes us "look tough".
I never used the words "look tough", so once again you're just lying about my position, and assigning me your own hateful motives. There is quite a difference between not cravenly giving into terrorist's demands and tough posturing.
You don't give a shit about the consequences of unflinching support of Israel on America or its citizens, and have not even tried to deny that. Thanks for proving my point.
Of course I care. Just as, when I was in school, and I saw a bully picking on someone, I cared about my nose. I truly regret the times I cared more about my nose than the person being beat on, however.
Maybe everyone should leave them to thier own devises, and cut off all aide and supples to both countries.
-- bernbart
Not all both countries, but Egypt, the Saudis, and all the despots that perpetuate the failed state fraud that is Middle East Governance. That is exactly what we should do, get out of the way and let them fight their own battles and deal with their problems themselves, like grownups. But don't tell that to the chest thumping tough guys that want to commit your family and your wealth to fighting religious wars and absorbing blowback from its favorite country via dead Americans.
Not supporting the policies of other countries, policies that lead to dead Americans, and instead addressing the root causes of suicide terrorism is for appeasers and "cowards".
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The Maine fight was supposed to be the dress rehearsal for repealing California's Prop. 8 -- but gay marriage lost
Once one obtains Seriousness credentials in the Washington media, they are irrevocable no matter one's conduct.
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