I don't know if Israel can reverse all of the young people who, born Israeli, decide to live elsewhere.... IMHO, that's worse than the "population bomb" ...

I'm willing to let demographic "reality" intervene... I don't know if Israel will outlive my life time (I'm 57 and not Jewish, fwiw). I'm resentful when it is implied that I should chose a side to "root" for and I wish that those who would use "our" foreign aid to Israel would work within "OUR" system to either deny funding or attach strings.

I agree with others who have mentioned Egypt who also receives substantial aid (gosh, how glad we were to get them back in the western "capitalist" fold) but who -- as seen in the last Egyptian elections -- largely, if not completely fouted our "strings" and "pro-democracy" codicils.

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I used to have problems with the "never negotiate with terrorist" stance of both Israel and the United States ...

Discovering - After Reagan -- the Iran/Contra hypocracy of that fallacial "doctrine" at least on "our" part has left me muddled. As I said on 09/11, it all depends on who is holding the dictionary, however, Hamas is in the unenviable position of trying to be two things at one -- head of state and terrorist (I believe this is a self-description)/ vanguard (again as self-definition).

Regardless, I am disturbed by the avid, indiscriminate "championing" of Hamas as somehow either a "legitimately democratically elected government" (a legitimacy they largely lost, imho, in their post-election harrassment of Fatah) or, again somehow the "vanguard of Palestinian liberation (in unfortunate contest with all the other, unencumbered by actual responsibility, more militant groups) by American liberals who, aside from 09/11 (and perhaps the previous WTC attack) have never experienced on-our-soil, threatening-my-family terrorism (or even act-of-war military attack).

My best alternative outcome/guess/fantasy is that Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon are persuaded and likely financially incentivized (bought off) -- their own economies being twitchy -- (by the Saudis and possibly, in time, Iran) to in turn incentivize "assimilation" ...

The hostilities must cease before restitution can be made.

Perhaps, peace will be possible after restitution, however, the restitution is not Israel's alone.

It can be done. I do not know what "Israel" will look like there after or what it will be named.

but there has to be someone on the palestinian side who can be relied on to PERMANENTLY FORCE ALL the palestinians to stop fighting. Then there will be peace.

Yes I do.

I feel dirty,

Just like pooh.

How 'bout you?

and they will commit suicide first, but NOT quietly.

But it's a solution that will never be implemented despite the fact it would almost certainly work and cause zero bloodshed.

The surest way to bring down the birthrate of a given demographic is to educate them and make them wealthy.

Educate the Arab Israelis and make them wealthy and they will slow their breeding, the more education and wealth the slower the breeding.

Demographics is destiny.

but there has to be someone on the palestinian side who can be relied on to PERMANENTLY FORCE ALL the palestinians to stop fighting.

Since there is no one that can do that for the Zionists why do you think there could be someone who can do it for the Palestinians?

Does the name Yigal Amir ring a bell?

And they will take the rest of world Jewry down with them, even in the US a nuclear holocaust will not be a popular thing, particularly when the fundies find out the Rapture is not forthcoming.

For the sake of Jews around the world I hope that someone can bring Israel to its senses.

The US can and would be forced to force Israel to deal once it became clear that the Palestinians were prepared to REALLY deal (not make some temporary arrangement from which to continue the fight later). When this happens then there will be peace.

if a "wall" could guarantee no violence the palestinians would have their own state tomorrow, well maybe the day after. US support for Israel would NOT continue if REAL PEACE were openly rejected by Israel. It is true that the Israeli right has played lots of games over the years to prevent just this outcome, but the arabs probably could have managed it without their help.

No, the United States will not go so far as to actually take a stand beyond rooting for whomever seems to winning ..

We "can't" take a principled stand because our "uniquely American" principles have regrettably become the world's forlorn, pathetic laughing stock...

It's hard to stand back and let things play themselves out -- but I think that is absolutely the best thing we can do right now.

Seriously.

Tay Sachs is most common among Eastern European Jews i.e. Ashkenazi not Semitic Jews..so, it obviates whatever point you were trying to make about the so called "purity" of the Jewish "race." The whole idea of Jews being a race is pretty sickening--I thought we were beyond THAT, since like the Diaspora... there is no Jewish race... Jews have been inter-marrying and converting--like everyone else--since forever. As humans, we all have equal claim to the planet...and did you know that South Louisiana Cajuns have the same mutation?

peace

Not banned yet, so you think you're safe here?

You dominate and censor American media.

You own members of Congress.

Typical Jew hating rant, that the Jews control everything.

Oddly, the Nazis continued to print that crap even as they tried to exterminate them all.

You are surrounded by nations that not once, I repeat, NOT ONCE, attacked you since 1973.

Wrong, Lebanon attacked Israel as recently as 2006, sparking a brief battle, or does crossing the border, killing 3 Israelis and and capturing two doesn't count as an attack.

And yet you wonder why you are hated. You wonder why people strap bombs to themselves in order to kill you. You wonder why anti-Semitism just doesn't seem to go away.

People like you hated Jews before Israel, you hate Jews now. Only currently, you try to hide your hatred behind of veil of anti-Israeli hatred.

You are the biggest fucking pussies, the loudest fucking whiners, the most spoiled, coddled, ungrateful, selfish fucking assholes on this planet.

-- Steele The First

As usual, the Jew Hater just can't contain himself, and starts channeling Julius Streicher.