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Monday, January 5, 2009 12:00 AM

Why Israelis support the Gaza offensive

Israel's post-traumatic war is not just about stopping Hamas rockets, but about repairing reputations -- and erasing the stain of failure.

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Monday, January 5, 2009 12:41 PM

My dear Xanthro

A great man once said, "History is Bunk" - I tend to agree.

"Your ignorance of history doesn't excuse you from denying that the Jews of today are for the most part descended from the same Jews expelled from Judaea. You can even trace this via DNA, supporting what history tells us."

I know about the Khazars and the Askenazi and you do not?

Preposterous.

You are just a liar.

Anyone who is stupid and gutless enough to believe any of the Abrahmic religions is probably a good candidate for converting to another form of the same bunk. Those that are smart enough to choose living over torture and dying.

Very few people are willing to die for their beliefs unless they have no alternative whatsoever.

Jews change religion within Judaism too. You aren't doing animal sacrifices anymore and that seems a betrayal of the core of the religion. I guess "JHVH" is fickle, transient and changes the rules to suit the convenience of the people worshiping him.

How many modern Jews actually believe in JHVJ - especially after the Holocaust?

Monday, January 5, 2009 12:42 PM

@cabdriver

"...secular, egalitarian social democracy. Perhaps if they could point to one nation with a Muslim majority that successfully functioned that way..."

What, are Muslims too sub-human and therefore incapable? There is a country named Turkey, doesn't sound like you've heard of it. Go look it up.

"If there's a third option or a fourth option available to Israel, would someone please tell me what it is?"

I guess not. They may as well just exterminate all Palestinians plus any other Arabs that try to get in the way. Then they will have peace, right?

Monday, January 5, 2009 12:52 PM

Istanbul Turkiye

Is a beautiful city, I've been there..

Monday, January 5, 2009 12:53 PM

The perfect adjective to describe the obfuscating Israel-First apologists and propaganda amplifiers

Mealy-mouthed: Unwilling to state facts or opinions simply and directly

Perfect! Thanks MLK!

Monday, January 5, 2009 12:53 PM

My next question

According to the movie Exodus, the Arabs and the Jews then living in Palestine after WW2 got along fine with one another until various remaining Nazis instigated Holocaust denial and attacks by the Arabs on the Jews. Is this true?

Monday, January 5, 2009 12:55 PM

No Palestinian state in my lifetime

I don't see an independent Palestinian state developing anytime soon. Plus there is no real gut desire out there for one on either side despite the public policy statements to the contrary. If one is established it will merely be an appendage of the greater Israel. It is a case of tokenism at its worst...merely to soothe the diginity of Palestinian refugees and lefty intellectual around the world.

The reality is that the level of mistrust between Arabs and Jews is simply too great today to bridge and all the work done in the 1990's to build trust is now gone. Another whole generation of citizens will have to be born to replace the current status quo.

The last generation of terrorists, the PLO, made headlines from the 1970s - 2000 but their objectives were political, even military. Everyone sort of understood where they were coming from although their methods were, at times, brutal like blowing up airplanes, Munich, etc. They were also secularists and did not give a whit about the return of the Caliphate, Islamic law, etc. After 40 years of fighting in the shadows they earned some level of international recognition for their cause and they found themselves at Camp David, Madrid, Oslo, a UN seat and other symbols of legitimacy. Now the terrorists are primarily religious driven and really don't care about political solutions and negotiated settlements. They think in terms of martyrdom with 71 virgins awaiting them, drinking wine and eating pork for all eternity. Why should they care about legitimacy in this world when eternal reward awaits them if they can somehow take bullet from an Israeli. Israel is facing an irrational enemy that that has no worldly objectives other than achieving their own destruction.

Monday, January 5, 2009 12:55 PM

Xanthro

"Steele The First, believe in the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as well?

I don't know. I never read it.

Seriously, ever hear of Tay-Sachs disease? Please explain to me how a religion can cause a genetic disorder?"

I dunno what yer talkin 'bout.

"Do you know that the last name Cohen indicates a priest, and to this day DNA testing shows a close family relationship among Cohen's around the World?"

Says who, the Cohens?

Take it up with Dr Sands, he wrote the book, not me.

BTW, do you think a naturalized American is somehow less an American than someone born American? If not, why does this double standard apply to Jews?

What are you talking about? What double standard? If you are asking me if I think Americans born here should set up checkpoints, shut off electricity, and poison the water of Native American reservations, then bomb and invade them when they retaliate with violence, my answer is "No." Is that the double standard you were referring to?

Monday, January 5, 2009 12:56 PM

I'll tell ya what I mosy earnestly believe...

The protocals of the elders of the cookie making Keebler elves.

I tell you

Elfen evil is rampant everywhere.

Monday, January 5, 2009 12:58 PM

Hamas Homemade rockets

Chris Sinnard You make an equivalence between fertilizer rockets and the war, while completely ignoring the blockade, the "ceasefire", and the amount of control Israel exerts of people that it "stopped" occupying three years ago and call it QED.

Hamas now imports rockets made from Iran and North Korea, and has done so since 2005. It's current favorite rocket is the Grad, which has a range of over 20 kilometers. It is a sophistical unguided rocket.

While the 3,000 plus rockets that Hamas has fired at Israel have caused few deaths in ratio of number launched, that's mostly because Israel has a sophistical attack warning system coupled with bunkers to protect it's civilian population.

Just today, a Grad rocket slammed into a Israeli kinder garden.

Israeli closure of their border with Gaza has been based on attacks at the checkpoints, or in response to rocket launches.

Egypt closed it's borders because opening the Rafah because it didn't want to implicitly recognize Hamas' takeover of Gaza.

Yes, Israel would love for Hamas to be crushed and gone, but Hamas is certainly not blameless here by any means.

Had Hamas stopped firing rockets, even after seizing control of Gaza, then it would have been very hard for Israel to justify any border closings.

Hamas wants the borders closed, so it can complain to the World, and people like you can rant that not enough Jews have been killed by Hamas rockets.

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