The establishment isn't interested in any middle ground, it is full on 100% in support of all things Israel.

I didn't realize that I had to side with the establishment. I thought I explicitly disavowed it, but maybe my language was vague somehow?

I make no apologies for refusing to try and find some middle ground where war crimes are considered civil and debatable. There is no debating things that are just wrong, like blockades engineered to punish civilians, a war crime, which the apologists ignore while crying "Hamas' Rockets are a War Crime".

Simply put, Hamas' rockets are war crimes. So is being out of uniform, and so is conducting military operations from civilian areas. Shall I quote the Geneva convention?

My point again is not to say that Israel is blameless, but that there is blame to go around, and you're employing quite a double standard.

Israel has the 4th largest military in the world and hundreds of illegal nuclear weapons. It uses its powerful military to rain bombs on an open air prison, to fight a resistance movement it grew and nurtured, all sponsored by a Government in the US that covers up crimes through UN Vetos, and you want to try and find a "middle ground"?

I simply stated that there is a middle ground between abandonment of the region, and unflinching support of Israel.

And this is why I don't take you seriously, you fall back on the typical trite talking points of the Irsael-first propaganda troll army. This talking being a variation of "Look at Egypt! They are REALLY bad!".

Nonsense. I'm pointing out a double standard, and once again you are putting words in my mouth. You can mock it, but you can't explain why it isn't a double-standard, because you know very well that it is. Mockery isn't one of the accepted forms of logical argument. What would you even call that? Argumentum Ad Derisus?

@Renegade Iconoclast

Renegade Iconoclast: "Why is Egypt keeping the Gazans in jail? Shouldn't they be allowed to freely go in and out of Egypt whenever they want to?"

Translation: Can we stop talking about Israel and find some way to divert the subject to Egypt?

Actual translation: No one calls the Egyptians jailers for controlling their own border, and no one condemned them when they rebuilt their wall last year. This is a clear double standard.

Take a gander...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html

Shattering a 'national mythology'

In this work, the author attempts to prove that the Jews now living in Israel and other places in the world are not at all descendants of the ancient people who inhabited the Kingdom of Judea during the First and Second Temple period. Their origins, according to him, are in varied peoples that converted to Judaism during the course of history, in different corners of the Mediterranean Basin and the adjacent regions. Not only are the North African Jews for the most part descendants of pagans who converted to Judaism, but so are the Jews of Yemen (remnants of the Himyar Kingdom in the Arab Peninsula, who converted to Judaism in the fourth century) and the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe (refugees from the Kingdom of the Khazars, who converted in the eighth century).

Unlike other "new historians" who have tried to undermine the assumptions of Zionist historiography, Sand does not content himself with going back to 1948 or to the beginnings of Zionism, but rather goes back thousands of years. He tries to prove that the Jewish people never existed as a "nation-race" with a common origin, but rather is a colorful mix of groups that at various stages in history adopted the Jewish religion. He argues that for a number of Zionist ideologues, the mythical perception of the Jews as an ancient people led to truly racist thinking: "There were times when if anyone argued that the Jews belong to a people that has gentile origins, he would be classified as an anti-Semite on the spot. Today, if anyone dares to suggest that those who are considered Jews in the world ... have never constituted and still do not constitute a people or a nation - he is immediately condemned as a hater of Israel."

Israel=1 state=1 vote/resident + (x)years=Palestine. Solve for x.

Shouldn't he be coming around about now with another inflammatory for the day?

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Why is it a double standard? Money talks. AIPAC talks. You want to find a middle ground between bad guys and worse guys, or bad guys and other bad guys. You want a metric. Money. Weapons. But, oh wait, the US gives money to Egypt too! Yeah, and so what? As if that somehow justifies everything that Israel is doing. Like the typical Israel-first propaganda amplifier, you ignore all sense of scale when framing the issue. How much just doesn't matter. Civilian Deaths on both sides, money given to all parties, scale is irrelevant.

And then you go to "But but but... Hamas is committing war crimes too!" aka another talking point to deflect criticism away from Israel. You make an equivalence between fertilizer rockets and the war, while completely ignoring the blockade, the "ceasefire", and the amount of control Israel exerts of people that it "stopped" occupying three years ago and call it QED.

You cry "double standard" while your favored country drops us-taxpayer funded bombs on an open air prison that it has blockaded for months, and use rockets made out of fertilizer to back up your claim, you really expect your cry of "double standard" to hold water?

Pathetic. Get back to me once you've deprogrammed the propaganda and resolved your cognitive dissonance. You claim to want a middle ground then do nothing but use the usual Israel-first tactics in your arguements.

Seriously, ever hear of Tay-Sachs disease? Please explain to me how a religion can cause a genetic disorder?

Do you know that the last name Cohen indicates a priest, and to this day DNA testing shows a close family relationship among Cohen's around the World?

How exactly do an entirely converted people spread throughout the World share genetic code?

Nobody is denying that some people converted to Judaism, and the religion accepts such converts as full members of the race as well, but the vast majority of Jews are related by DNA, and that can only be explained by descending from a common people with little interbreeding from outside the community.

BTW, do you think a naturalized American is somehow less an American than someone born American? If not, why does this double standard apply to Jews?